[Snail]

The phasers looked weird. Instead of beams they looked more like tracers.

[butter_pat_head]

Lets not forget the rocket engine warp drive, heck you don't even need warp drive... or starships for that matter.  Just get Simon Pegg to beam you from planet to planet! 

[Krelus]

This aspect of normal trek would have made an official battle between the narada and the enterprise great. Unfortunately the movie didn't have that many starship battles.

There was one major opportunity the enterprise had to scan the narada and that was when it first encountered it. Both ships were just sitting there while the drill was getting disabled. Just scan the ship and chekov would be like, captain, i see a weakness in the other ship's design. Non vaguely explain where it is and make a battle possible later on in the movie.

It wouldn't even have to be a destructive weakness. Just like a design flaw of the narada where a portion of the vessel has it's power grid exposed or something. In trek a whole bunch of times you do have smaller federation ships take on much bigger targets.

Yes, because that's totally never been done before >.>

Spoiler:

I think the kamikaze singularity was way cooler and wasn't nearly as predictable.

[Dark Knight]

The movie had many moments of horrendous techno babble. Black holes for time travel and a super nova that threatens the galaxy....uuugghh

Huh. U know I thought it had practically no techno babble.

For an example, Voyager would have had the arrival of the Narrada go something like:

Seven: "Captain! We're detecting a massive build up of graviton particals in the F band. Chronoton Readings are through the roof!"
Tuvok: "It looks like some kind of quantum Singularity if forming ahead of us. Arming Weapons"
Kim: "Receiving EM interference on all frequencies."
Give or take 2 more minutes of ridiculous made up science about tachyon emmisions and something emerging through the even horizon and how thats immpossibly while either Harry or Tuvok spiel off some cod-wormhole science.

new Trek simply:

"It looks like a lightning storm in space."

Somehow I find that VERY refreshing. ten times more ominous and a hell of a lot cooler.

The phasers looked weird. Instead of beams they looked more like tracers.

They were Movie period phasers rather than ToS phases, but as the writers said in an interview the Federation had jumped forward about 20 years in technology because of the scans the Kelvin got of the big N. Look at Star Trek II, they had the same kind of phasers there Oddly enough, I realized the other day that we don't see the Enterprise (1701 or A)  fire phasers again in any of the trek movies after Khan. It's always Photons, probably cos they just look cooler.

Also, on the note of the enterprise finding a "thermal port" style weakness I'm really glad they didn't do it that way for a number of reasons.

1# The film was already a blatant rip-off of star wars with the planet killing super weapons, the rescue mission to save Princess Pike and the Spock's Trench Run on the N, complete with the Millenium Enterprise flying in and shooting down the missiles practically saying "You're all clear Spock! Now lets blow this thing and go home YEEEHAAAW!" Never mind the awards Ceremony at the very end and Old Hermit Obi-Nimoy-Kinobi!

2# In the prequel comic the N took out several Federation cruisers and fought a Klingon Fleet under Worf to a standstill before crippling the Ent-E. And as according to CBS the comic is canon, the Nu-Ent being able to find and exploit a weakness that Captain Calculator... I Mean Captain Data (2.0) of the Ent-E couldn't is a little sad. Especially considering the Narada is a Hybrid-Borg ship that could self repair any damage anyway.

3# As the Enterprise was clearly outclassed by the Narada. I like it that the only reason they were able to blow it away was because a black hole was ripping it apart from the inside.

And 4# They already literally pulled the Thermal Exhaust Port one in Star Trek VI.

But really, I am hear to state that i love this film for one reason and one reason only. Karl Urban, who somehow out DeForest Kellys DeForest Kelly!

[Mefustae]

The comic is set eight years after the film Star Trek Nemesis. Federation and Romulan tensions have generally subsided, with Spock the official Federation ambassador to the Romulans. Data is still alive and has become captain of the Enterprise-E after successfully imprinting his memories onto the prototype android B-4. Jean-Luc Picard is now Federation ambassador to Vulcan, Geordi La Forge has retired to develop his own ships, and Worf is a General in the Klingon Empire.

The galaxy is threatened by the Hobus star, which will become a supernova. Spock proposes that the Romulans transport the precious mineral Decalithium to Vulcan, where it can be converted into red matter capable of turning the star into a black hole, therefore ending its threat. The senate opposes Spock, but he finds a comrade in Nero, the leader of the miners. Nero witnessed Hobus consume a planet first-hand and offers to secretly transport Decalithium, noting it would be better than doing nothing and then leaving his wife and unborn son to die. Nero's ship, the Narada, is attacked by the Remans, but the Enterprise rescues them and escorts them to Vulcan with Decalithium taken from the Reman ships. On Vulcan, the council opposes Romulan use of red matter, infuriating Nero; he vows if Romulus is destroyed, he shall hold them accountable.

Nero returns to Romulus to discover Hobus has gone supernova and destroyed his home world. Driven mad by his loss, he attacks Federation Olympic class hospital ships that have arrived to give aid, believing they have come to claim his people's territory. He beams surviving Romulan senators onto his ship and kills them for not listening to Spock, and then claims the Praetor's ancient trident, the Debrune Teral'n, which is the greatest symbol of Romulus. He and his crew then shave their heads and apply tattoos to signify their loss. Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies.

With the supernova expanding, Spock decides to deposit the red matter weapon. He takes the Jellyfish, a ship developed by La Forge that can withstand extreme environmental conditions. The Narada goes about destroying and assimilating Federation, Klingon and Cardassian ships alike, wounding Worf and damaging the Enterprise in the process. When Spock successfully destroys the supernova, the Narada appears to attack when the black hole flings it and the Jellyfish back in time, leaving Picard and the crew of the Enterprise as witnesses to Spock's sacrifice.

Seriously? Seriously?

I think my brain just broke.

[SpardaSon21]

Wow.  That comic's plot was bad even by Star Trek standards.

[General Battuta]

Really? What was wrong with it? It seems like it makes the movie make a lot more sense...

[Dark Knight]

the comic suffered from being squished into four issues, should have been six. But the thing is, reading it it FELT like TNG.

[Bobboau]

and from having a supernova somehow threatening the galaxy.

that is just a whole new plateau of stupid.

[karajorma]

None of it explains why he didn't just destroy the star himself.

[NGTM-1R]

None of it explains why he didn't just destroy the star himself.

That's the problem with a setting as massively technologically advanced as Star Trek. There are too many good ways to solve problems.

[Mefustae]

Really? What was wrong with it? It seems like it makes the movie make a lot more sense...

Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. It's pretty much all fine. Although, come to think of it:

The comic is set eight years after the film Star Trek Nemesis. Federation and Romulan tensions have generally subsided, with Spock the official Federation ambassador to the Romulans.

Yeah, no problems there. The whole Scimitar incident would probably be a good thing in the long run, politically speaking.

Data is still alive and has become captain of the Enterprise-E after successfully imprinting his memories onto the prototype android B-4. Jean-Luc Picard is now Federation ambassador to Vulcan, Geordi La Forge has retired to develop his own ships, and Worf is a General in the Klingon Empire.

Not too bad. Data having preserved his katr- er... memory engrams and therefore slowly overriding B-4's personality like some sort of horrible virus. Terrifying, but I can deal. Data's awesome, after all. Everything else... well, nothing too much to fret over.

The galaxy is threatened by the Hobus star, which will become a supernova. Spock proposes that the Romulans transport the precious mineral Decalithium to Vulcan, where it can be converted into red matter capable of turning the star into a black hole, therefore ending its threat.

Wait... what?

Nero witnessed Hobus consume a planet first-hand and offers to secretly transport Decalithium, noting it would be better than doing nothing and then leaving his wife and unborn son to die.

Yeah, 'cause it's not like he's got a giant spaceship than could, y'know, carry his family. Nah, OHS guidelines, no family allowed on-site. Rules is rules.

Nero returns to Romulus to discover Hobus has gone supernova and destroyed his home world. Driven mad by his loss, he attacks Federation Olympic class hospital ships that have arrived to give aid, believing they have come to claim his people's territory.

Sure, you say it was a hospital ship, I say it was biological warfare!

Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies.

It's a wonder that Romulan Bases can be kept secret when every common mining foreman seems to know exactly where to find them. And good thing Borg tech is easy to use, though. Plug'n'play, and all that.

With the supernova expanding, Spock decides to deposit the red matter weapon. He takes the Jellyfish-

Jellyfish? Jellyfish?

**** it, I'm going to get a drink and go cry in the corner now.

[NGTM-1R]

The galaxy is threatened by the Hobus star, which will become a supernova. Spock proposes that the Romulans transport the precious mineral Decalithium to Vulcan, where it can be converted into red matter capable of turning the star into a black hole, therefore ending its threat.

Wait... what?

This isn't totally insane, on the surface of it. If you can trigger a direct transition to the black hole phase, that will sidestep the supernova.

Hobus is presumeably not the Romulan home star, only near to it. A nearby black hole is not a problem.

[karajorma]

I think he's on about a supernova threatening the entire Galaxy. If Hobus isn't the Romulan star then it's not going to be a threat to Romulus for years unless they're actually going to try to insult our intelligence with an FTL supernova.


....oh wait.

[General Battuta]

I agree that part doesn't make any sense (when I first read it I instinctively looked for some kind of Treknobabble way out, akin to the Praxis 'subspace shockwave'), but all in all, I like the link back to the TNG era almost more than I liked the movie itself.

[Dark Knight]

Horbus was dangerous cos it consumed a planet filled with huge amounts of decalithium (If Dilithium makes warp work and Trilithium blows up stars Decalithium must be REALLY bad ... yeah. Right.) when it expanded into red giant phase which is what turned it into the galaxy eating terror it became. Also, i'm figuring if the comic book medium had allowed time for greater exposition they would have explained it as a "sub-space shockwave resulting from the supernova." But when u've only got four issues and so-much plot u gotta save space where you can As the film was trying to appeal to the widest market  possible I can see why they just went with "supernova" instead of over wording it.

Also the plan was to turn the star straight into a black hole. The damn thing just blew up early.

Oh and the Jellyfish was built by LaForge, hence the odd human name for the Vulcan ship.

[karajorma]

Still doesn't explain why Nero, who is now over a hundred years back in time before the supernova didn't just turn the star into a black hole.

It's not like he didn't have 20 years to sit around thinking up a better plan than "Piss off Spock"

[The E]

Quick question: My Memory is a bit hazy, but did Nero have the capability (i.e. the red matter) to destroy the sun prior to intercepting Spock? I thought his motivation was more "Now that I have the red matter, I'm going to implode your planet, kill the Federation, and then make sure that pesky star doesn't blow up". Not exactly logical, but Romulans are not required to be.

[Krelus]

Quick question: My Memory is a bit hazy, but did Nero have the capability (i.e. the red matter) to destroy the sun prior to intercepting Spock? I thought his motivation was more "Now that I have the red matter, I'm going to implode your planet, kill the Federation, and then make sure that pesky star doesn't blow up". Not exactly logical, but Romulans are not required to be.

Well, I guess he had years before the star blew up, so it's not like he was on a timer. And he also might have been trying to remain at least semi-covert until he destroyed Vulcan.

[Rhymes]

Still doesn't explain why Nero, who is now over a hundred years back in time before the supernova didn't just turn the star into a black hole.

It's not like he didn't have 20 years to sit around thinking up a better plan than "Piss off Spock"

One word: Insanity.  Nero went crazy after Romulus was destroyed, remember?