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Offline iamzack

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This morning, I woke up and went downstairs and someone had left the tv on whatever channel The View is on. They showed a video of a sixteen year old Iranian girl being shot and killed in the street by sniper fire.

She's about my age. Damn.

If the revolutionary types in Iran ask for our help (however unlikely that may be), I will back an invasion 100%. Until then, I will just grumble quietly and respect the Iranians' will to do this on their own.

In the meantime, we could always answer the pleas for help in wartorn countries in Africa...
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We are all soldiers of the revolution.

 

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As far as I'm concerned, it's not our business what they do. If they revolt and form a new government, great. If they don't and Ahmandinnerjacket clamps down... not great, but there really isn't much we can do about it.

If they call for the UN to go, in goes the UN.

But if we didn't get involved in Mugabe crapping all over the process, we really shouldn't be sticking our noses in this. Especially given our current economic and military status.

All that said, I hope those protesters topple those SOBs

 

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Agreed.
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Personally i would like to thank the boys over at MI5 who put this whole thing together. Real bang up job. Hope you dont get caught
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We would know if it was western influenced because Steven Colbert would have won by 20 million votes.
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Talk about horrible ahmadinejad screwing with the elections. He took out cell services, youtube, and twitter. He also happened to block out every single piece of media from mousavi even on the internet. God knows what else on the internet was also blocked, i think a couple of major social networking sites were blocked too.

The elections might have been screwed with? OH **** NO!!! Ahmadinejad's just a crappy competitor and has the actions of a sore loser (even though he won).



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I don't see how the west could have influenced the election given that they just pulled numbers out of their arses.

 

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And especially when the first results came out for the votes that the iranian supreme religious leader called it a "divine victory".
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Re: Soooo...Iran...election...protests...any thoughts?
And how accurate are your information?

The information comes via the Associated Press, which is usually fairly reliable, and prior to the crackdown on news out of Iran. The nature of the balloting process is a matter of public record.
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CAIRO – Iran's top electoral body said Tuesday it found "no major fraud" and will not annul the results of the June 12 election, closing the door to a do-over sought by angry opposition supporters alleging systematic vote-rigging.

Since the vote, Iranian government officials have repeatedly suggested that a revote is extremely unlikely. However, Tuesday's announcement by Iran's top electoral body, the Guardian Council, was the clearest yet in ruling out a do-over.

The announcement on Iran's state-run English language Press TV is another sign the regime is determined to crush post-election unrest, the worst since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, rather than seek compromise with the protesters.

Government warnings to the protesters have intensified in recent days, with Iran's supreme leader ordering them off the streets and the feared Revolutionary Guards threatening a tough crackdown. At least 17 people have been killed in near-daily demonstrations, including at least one that drew hundreds of thousands of people.

In a boost for the embattled regime, Russia said Tuesday that it respects the declared election result, which the Iranian government described as a landslide victory for hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The U.S. and many European countries have refrained from challenging the election outcome directly, but have issued increasingly stern warnings against continuing violence meted out to demonstrators.

Ahmadinejad's main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has charged the election was a fraud and insists he is the true winner.

The Guardian Council found "no major fraud or breach in the election," a spokesman, Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, was quoted by Press TV as saying. "Therefore, there is no possibility of an annulment taking place."

On Monday, the Guardian Council said — in a rare acknowledgment — that there had been voting irregularities in 50 districts, including local vote counts that exceeded the number of eligible voters. However, the council said the discrepancies were not widespread enough to affect the result.

Ahmadinejad won crucial backing from Russia on Tuesday, with the Foreign Ministry in Moscow saying it respects the declared election result. In a statement on its Web site, the ministry said that disputes about the vote "should be settled in strict compliance with Iran's Constitution and law" and are "exclusively an internal matter."

Russia, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has longtime political and economic ties with Iran where it is helping build a nuclear power plan at Bushehr. In his only trip abroad since the vote, Ahmadinejad traveled to Russia last week for a conference where he was seen prominently shaking hands with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

Many Western democracies, including the U.S., have criticized the way in which the Iranian government has dealt with the widespread protests, and renewed Iranian government threats of a crackdown have heightened concerns.

In New York, U.N. Secretary Ban Ki-moon urged an "immediate stop to the arrests, threats and use of force," U.N. spokeswoman Michele Montas said Monday.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called on Iran to recount the votes, but stopped short of alleging electoral fraud. French President Nicolas Sarkozy has been outspoken in his criticism of Iran's response to the demonstrations, but said doors must remain open to continue talks on the country's nuclear program.

In contrast, China, Venezuela and some other developing countries tended to be supportive of the Iranian government, whose nuclear activities, alleged involvement in terrorism and influence in regional conflicts have alarmed the West for years.

After a huge opposition rally a week ago, protests have become smaller, but demonstrators have been more willing to confront Iranian troops.

On Monday, Tehran riot police fired tear gas and live bullets to break up about 200 protesters paying tribute to those killed in the protests, including a young women, Neda Agha Soltan, whose apparent shooting death was captured on video and circulated worldwide. Witnesses said helicopters hovered overhead as riot police fired live rounds and lobbed tear gas to break up the gathering. Security forces ordered people to keep walking and prevented even small groups from gathering.

Caspian Makan, a 37-year-old photojournalist in Tehran who identified himself as Soltan's boyfriend, said she had not been deterred by the risk of protesting. "She only ever said that she wanted one thing, she wanted democracy and freedom for the people of Iran," he told an Associated Press reporter during a telephone call from Tehran.

Severe restrictions on reporters have made it almost impossible to independently verify reports on demonstrations, clashes and casualties. Iran has ordered reporters for international news agencies to stay in their offices, barring them from reporting on the streets.

A number of journalists have been detained since the protests began, though there have been conflicting accounts. The Paris-based Reporters Without Borders put the figure of reporters detained at 34.

The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said 13 were still in custody, including Newsweek correspondent Maziar Bahari.

The Iranian government must release all journalists and halt "unreasonable and arbitrary measures that are restricting the flow of information," the committee said. "Detaining journalists for reporting news and commentary indicates the government has something to hide."

Round and round they go.

 

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Iran - so incompetent/lazy that they can't even make up plausible election results.

 

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On Monday, Tehran riot police fired tear gas and live bullets to break up about 200 protesters paying tribute to those killed in the protests, including a young women, Neda Agha Soltan, whose apparent shooting death was captured on video and circulated worldwide. Witnesses said helicopters hovered overhead as riot police fired live rounds and lobbed tear gas to break up the gathering. Security forces ordered people to keep walking and prevented even small groups from gathering.

According to CNN, though, the "live bullets" were just fired into the air. Not AT the protesters as can be implied from the article above. I don't know which is correct, but I think it's important to realize that it isn't clear that protesters were being shot at with live rounds. I don't think the situation has escalated that far...at least not yet.

 

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CAIRO – Iran's top electoral body said Tuesday it found "no major fraud" and will not annul the results of the June 12 election, closing the door to a do-over sought by angry opposition supporters alleging systematic vote-rigging.

Round and round they go.


They just massively miscalculated.

Iran has one of the most progressive-minded populations of any country in the Middle East (while the government may be wackjobs, the people aren't).  The democractic push in Iran is spread throughout the general populace, and the government just added a catalyst to a sentiment that's been simmering for quite some time.

It's going to be pretty interesting to watch.
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By the way I just posted the news article, I don't necessarily agree with everything in it. It was just an update.

Unfortunately it looks like it's kinda winding down on the protest side.

 

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In a sense the situation is much deeper than that.

The vast majority of the countries population which is over 70 million are very suspicious of the west.
Iran has always had a shaky relationship with Europe. Just look back on previous times, when it was known by the name of Persia and the European invasion or even its own previous empires.
It should be noted that the population of Iran is very young, with an estimated 75% of the people under the age of 30.
Younger people generally do tend to be more 'left wing' or 'liberal' with a strong will for change.
Naturally people within this liberal grouping will have different views on ideology and belief.

By European standards we may not understand Iran clearly. To us some of their laws seem barbaric, backwards, a through back to the middle ages.  (Execution of children for crimes) (Illegality for woman and men to dance together)
But the last thing the Western World should do is play into the hands of the current administration.
Its an internal Iranian problem, that needs to be sorted by Iranians. They are a strong proud people. Outside interference will be simply met with hostility and suspicion.

To that user who stated that they could see USA and Iran engaging in military conflict, the chances of that actually happening are very slim.
The USA is still struggling to cope with Afghanistan, not to mention the losses and difficulties it is currently facing in Iraq with a hostile home population towards the war.
On top of that you have a belligerent and defiant North Korea who openly admits its on a nuclear build up. Taking that into account, USA currently has its eyes elsewhere.
The only real scenario that could provoke military action would be an Israeli bombing of Tehran’s nuclear facilities. This would naturally cause an 'Iranian backlash' which USA would be forced to intervene with.

In terms of the election itself? The results do look suspicious. But then again, we are going by opinion polls. We all know, opinion polls can be wrong. Just look back on our own histories. Despite what we may think the current Iranian president is very popular and can draw on a lot of support including armed militias and religious leaders who hold a lot of power within the state. The president himself is answerable to the Guardian Council and Supreme Leader. It does have similarities to democracy prevalent in Europe in late 19th centuries such as Prussia (examine the Bismarckian era), The simply fact is that Iranians do take their limited democracy very seriously. Students were reportedly flying home from parts of the world just to be able to vote in this election. (Something those of us in the free world should bow our heads in shame, some people not willing to get their fat arse of the sofa and walks five minutes down the road)

The Election could simply be a dispute amongst the young of Iran and what direction the country will take in future. While Ahmadinejad  is not a likeable man to many in the Western World, he was democratically elected previously by the people. While there are large scale protests on the streets, these do not yet seem to have the momentum and countrywide support that was last seen in the 1979 revolution. Perhaps one of the reasons the current administration of Iran is so worried is because they are seeing and drawing similarities between the events of 1979 and those of 2009.

If the military does crack down on supporters for the opposition it will be a very sad day for democracy in that region which has already seen enough turmoil. It could easily go like Tiananmen square in China, a ruthless massacre of protesters, and then once things calm down, everything returns to normal, people forgot, or simply just don’t care. 


but thats just my two cents ;)
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Re: Soooo...Iran...election...protests...any thoughts?
If the revolutionary types in Iran ask for our help (however unlikely that may be), I will back an invasion 100%. Until then, I will just grumble quietly and respect the Iranians' will to do this on their own.

In the meantime, we could always answer the pleas for help in wartorn countries in Africa...

We have ****ed with Iran's **** quite enough already.
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Re: Soooo...Iran...election...protests...any thoughts?
If the revolutionary types in Iran ask for our help (however unlikely that may be), I will back an invasion 100%. Until then, I will just grumble quietly and respect the Iranians' will to do this on their own.

In the meantime, we could always answer the pleas for help in wartorn countries in Africa...

We have ****ed with Iran's **** quite enough already.

^ What he said. This matter is internal to Iran and Iran alone. Western influence would probably do more harm than good at any point. If a revolution takes place and the current government is removed and replaced with a true democracy, great. If not, well...Ahmadinejad and his ilk are the devils we know.

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Re: Soooo...Iran...election...protests...any thoughts?
If the revolutionary types in Iran ask for our help (however unlikely that may be), I will back an invasion 100%. Until then, I will just grumble quietly and respect the Iranians' will to do this on their own.

In the meantime, we could always answer the pleas for help in wartorn countries in Africa...

We have ****ed with Iran's **** quite enough already.

^ What he said. This matter is internal to Iran and Iran alone. Western influence would probably do more harm than good at any point. If a revolution takes place and the current government is removed and replaced with a true democracy, great. If not, well...Ahmadinejad and his ilk are the devils we know.

I agree with that. That's why I added the stipulation "if the Iranians ASK for outside help."

Duh.
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

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If a revolution takes place and the current government is removed and replaced with a true democracy, great.

Until they elect somebody we don't like again. 
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