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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
The Sagittarius and Boreas are very, very nice! You should talk a bit with Woomeister and Goober about them. :)
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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
Boreas is reserved Shadow Genesis stuff and it will appear exclusive in SG [unless Moon decide differently].
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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
Boreas is reserved Shadow Genesis stuff and it will appear exclusive in SG [unless Moon decide differently].

Wait. Even after release?  :wtf:
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Boreas is reserved Shadow Genesis stuff and it will appear exclusive in SG [unless Moon decide differently].

Wait. Even after release?  :wtf:
No, of course not :P. All of the SG stuff will be free for use after release.
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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
moonred u r beast

 

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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
Ungh, screw model exclusivity.
It's a stupid concept that will earn you more haters than anything else.
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honestly, I agree. It also runs the risk of having great models lost when a team dies.

Also, it's childish as ****. It's like a 5 year old kid not sharing his toy firetruck with the poor kid who can't afford to get one
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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
honestly, I agree. It also runs the risk of having great models lost when a team dies.

Also, it's childish as ****. It's like a 5 year old kid not sharing his toy firetruck with the poor kid who can't afford to get one

If team die I'll post them anyway. It will be not a big problem. Some of my models are aleady able to download but I know about only one used in game(HTL Zegreus).  Whats with the rest?
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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
Yeah, unless these actually get converted at some point, nobody will end up using them.

 

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Ehh... I can't have exclusive models in my mod? Boreas is made for SG, so it will appear at first in SG on the same policy as other mods using their models. You can use our models, when we release SG. I don't see the problem. This is nothing new.

BTW. If I spoke differently, that's fault of my english. Sorry.
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Well, what I think we've been pushing for is open release of finished models as soon as they're polished up and ready to go. BP for instance traded its UEF capships to other projects well before release and handed out some optimized stuff too. It just helps everyone do better.

I don't necessarily think exclusive stuff is always inappropriate, but I think it's less important than people have made it out to be in the past. Good use of a ship is far more important than first use; look at the StratComm ships, or Axem's use of the Ravana.

 

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I'm going to stick with Betrayal in this issue. "Exclusive" ships are not just geometry within a .pof, but they're often key storytelling elements within a campaign that, as a whole, needs a specific ship-set to capture the feeling of the narrative. And although I'll agree that in most instances a ship should be open for general use after the campaign is released, I wholly stand behind an author who has commissioned a ship design for use in his or her mod and wants to hold onto the model until the release of the given work.

Of course, that's for purpose-built ships. A general model-dump is a different affair, and the author certainly wasn't concerned about appeasing any one writer or modder. But again, it's up to the model creators and comissioners what happens to their assets, and it's their duty to be responsible with them should their campaigns fall short of completion.
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There aren't two clearcut sides to this issue, and I don't want anyone lining up into camps. In general, though, we see a pattern: campaigns that build up exclusive assets fail. Modeldumps enable brilliant new campaigns that succeed.

I think exclusive assets have their place, especially when they're key story elements, but when they're not, they should be made available for the public good as rapidly as possible. We're all in this together as a community, and with the exception of TBP and Wings of Dawn, no 'large exclusives pool' campaign has ever made it to release in the HTL era (and neither of those use HTL models, for the most part). When some of them finally do, we can judge the impact, but I doubt the benefits will be worth the opportunity cost.

Modelers should strive to get their work released, polished, and open to the community as rapidly as possible unless it is an absolutely indispensable storytelling element. Good use of a ship is far more important than first use, and public releases allow every single campaign project everywhere, including those by newcomers, to succeed.

This is why we have banks IRL instead of stuffing our money under mattresses. Money in a bank gets passed around and helps everybody out. It's capitalism at work!

EDIT: If model exclusivity was important for storytelling, there would be a correlation between model exclusivity and the perceived quality of a campaign. Yet of the community classics - Derelict, Transcend, BP, The Procyon Insurgency, Derelict, Wings of Dawn, Silent Threat Reborn, Vassago's Dirge - only one of them uses exclusive models in any meaningful sense. They don't seem to be necessary.
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And to clarify, I don't think there needs to be any kind of witchhunt directed at projects with exclusive assets. But when weighing your options, consider the benefit to the community as a whole of going public; consider how many great campaigns we've been able to play because of modelers who shared.

I understand both sides here, but ultimately I don't think the large exclusive pile strategy has - so far - ever paid off. Just something to think about.

 

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Tell that to members and leaders of big mods. They will never release their stuff before release of main project, because it makes their mod more interesting and valuable. I understand both sides too - other mods have a lot of great stuff I want, but I also undestand other modmakers - they simply wants to make their mods unique, as me. So... I can wait.

I didn't speak I won't respond for individual request. If someone wants and has a strong reasons, I will be open for requests and deals like others who made similar deals, but I won't release all stuff without campaign and whole modpack.
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I think that's fair.

Putting the rest of this post in spoiler tags because it's tangential, and I don't think it's that important. Just ruminations.

Spoiler:
I know that projects like Inferno, BWO, Twisted Infinities, and others have large caches of exclusive models, and I know their leaders are reluctant to open those up. I respect that. BlackWolf has made it clear why he doesn't want to do that. At the same time, though, the community's current vivacity and liveliness is in large part due to people like StratComm and the earlier Inferno team doing public releases which gave smaller mods stuff to work with. INFR1's Ancients made BP and PI possible, for instance.

Amazing things could happen if the community at large could collaborate on all those locked-up models.

And I don't think having 'unique models' necessarily makes a project more interesting or more valuable. I think it's interesting mission design and story that does that. All the mods I listed above became classics because they had such good stories and missions. INFR1 hasn't stood the test of time quite as well, despite all that I like about it.

Eyecandy looks great in trailers and screenshots, but when you're actually playing the thing it's how it plays that matters, and the shininess of the assets wears off pretty quick after that first glance.

I think there's a lesson there.
 

 

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Storyline, FREDing and mod feelings are important things for me. Shadow Genesis has a unique storylie, but that's not everything. Good graphics unified with unique story builds atmosphere... That's the most important for me. Of course storyline is more important than graphics, but good mod should meld both things.

Hmm... Ok. I understood your point of view. That was a lesson. Maybe I will do a suprise for community in the future :).
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Well, I put it in spoilers for a reason - I honestly feel like your current stance is pretty fair and I didn't want it to put pressure on you.

 

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Re: Moonred Workshop. Gallery and 3ds. files download
And to clarify, I don't think there needs to be any kind of witchhunt directed at projects with exclusive assets. But when weighing your options, consider the benefit to the community as a whole of going public; consider how many great campaigns we've been able to play because of modelers who shared.

I understand both sides here, but ultimately I don't think the large exclusive pile strategy has - so far - ever paid off. Just something to think about.

Its sounds like I keeping all my models for myself. Some of them are already able to download now, some will be relased later.
Also It seems that they will not be touched untill they will be uved and textured.
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« Last Edit: October 26, 2010, 07:15:51 pm by Moonred »
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I'm...not totally clear on what you're saying there. Sorry.