[Spoon]

Everytime I recieve a MWO email its about "STUFF FOR SALE"
but nothing ever that makes me actually want to come back and play the game itself.

[Scotty]

Well at least PGI proves that their ability to read and/or hear feedback is operational, if not at full capability.

[Dragon]

I don't even check MWO news anymore. What is this change and is really worth coming back to MWO for? Especially for a definitely nonpaying player.

[NGTM-1R]

I don't even check MWO news anymore. What is this change and is really worth coming back to MWO for? Especially for a definitely nonpaying player.

Select ya mech for the clan bundles.

[esarai]

Even their 'Clans a-la-Carte' deal is insanely overpriced. 

"Oh we tried to offer you $8-$10 a chassis, but noooooo that wasn't good enough for you.  HERE.  $55 for your favorite mech or **** you." is basically what it says to me, even though their original deal was blatantly designed to force people to spend $210 for the TW.

For me, Living Legends' downloads are always corrupted.  It makes me sad because I really want to play and I can't.

Whoa, even with Bittorrent's built in anti-download-corruption mechanisms?

Yep.  I'm not sure if it's because all of the files were made with a different archiver or what, but every time I try to extract it I get told the pak files are corrupted.

[SypheDMar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is UI 2.0 third person mode forever?

[esarai]

If it is, PGI's going to lose half its players overnight.

[TrashMan]

So what's wrong with third person mode?

[Grizzly]

So what's wrong with third person mode?

Nothing, unless it's not optional.

[pecenipicek]

So what's wrong with third person mode?

it is not something that should be present in MWO.
its pandering to dirty console peasants and codmonkeys.

[Scotty]

As a member of both PC and console gaming circles: Piss off.  Some people like third person view.  I'm not one of them, but I'm aware that they exist.

[An4ximandros]

If people want to castrate their immersion and use third person, I'd say let them.
Just make sure they don't have any advantage. Ex: add a camera that floats around the mech.

All you gotta do is make sure 1st person is the optimal way to play the game.

[Scotty]

Given that immersion is subjective, I tend to agree with your conclusion for different reasons, and disagree that there should in any way, shape, or form even be and "optimal" way to play the game.

[Dragon]

If they're fully "equal", then TPP mode gives you an advantage of a wider, onobstructed FOV. I think it should be like chase view in FS.
Though, if PGI really wants to make 3rd person the only available mode, I'd say let them. They'll finally go bankrupt and then we can have a proper MechWarrior game. TBH, I've had enough with MWO. Broken promises, gameplay worse than MW2, no singleplayer and blatant milking the players for cash. Even Living Legends was better, though they were also missing a campaign, at least that was a free mod and there was a (however slight) chance of somebody making an SP mode one day, this being a fan project on a flexible engine.

[Aesaar]

MWLL is a generally much more satisfying game.  Matches are longer and more interesting because they don't feel like even teams in a closed arena but instead feel like large scale battles.  Combined arms also adds a huge amount of variety. 

The only thing MWO really has over MWLL is the mechlab and graphics, especially when it comes to animations.  MWLL mech animations look awful. 

And MWO's implementation of the mechlab can't hold a candle to MW4.

[Hades]

So what's wrong with third person mode?

it is not something that should be present in MWO.
its pandering to dirty console peasants and codmonkeys.

Considering that third person mode has been in MW3 (and possibly beforehand), I think calling it "pandering to dirty console peasants" is, frankly, moronic.

I, of course, always preferred third person mode because it allows me to see my mech in a game about, well, mechs.

[NGTM-1R]

it is not something that should be present in MWO.
its pandering to dirty console peasants and codmonkeys.

Call MW3 a console game again, I dare you.

[headdie]

it is not something that should be present in MWO.
its pandering to dirty console peasants and codmonkeys.

Call MW3 a console game again, I dare you.

Its a console game, the PC version is a port of the console game, with all the control simplicity and hand holding that goes with it....

ehhhh are we talking CoD MW3 or MW3?????????????    my poor little brain

[NGTM-1R]

Its a console game, the PC version is a port of the console game, with all the control simplicity and hand holding that goes with it....

ehhhh are we talking CoD MW3 or MW3?????????????    my poor little brain

DEATH TO HEADDIE!

Seriously though, it HAS been in since...actually I take it back, I know MechWarrior 2 Mercs had external view because I used it for urban maneuvering during a few missions.

[Spoon]

Considering that third person mode has been in MW3 (and possibly beforehand), I think calling it "pandering to dirty console peasants" is, frankly, moronic.

I, of course, always preferred third person mode because it allows me to see my mech in a game about, well, mechs.

I agree with this. For me it feels more immersive to see the mech I'm in. To slowly see it lumber around etc. Being inside a cockpit just doesnt have the same feeling for me. It probably also doesnt help that I zoom in at least 1 level by default because the cockpit is obscuring so much of my view.
But MWO 3rd person view isn't really a viable way to fight though, so meh.