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Offline Pizzi1

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3.6.10 performance problems
hi
i am happy for this new release :p...but my performace remain pitiful with new opengl version  :( ..i am using now a older version of this engine (it has much more fps and no problem with performance than this new release)..

but i have seen something to strange....i have tested normal version and i had problems....and after i have tested the debug version and all works fine with no problems... :wtf:
someone can say me why? there is a hidden tag to select?

My system athlon black edition 7750, mb: asus m3n78, geforce 8600 sparkle pcie version with 256M end 4 giga of ram, windows xp.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 05:05:37 am by Pizzi1 »

 
3.6.10 performance problems
Hi Pizzi!

We'll need you to clarify a lot of what you've posted in order to track down any problems.
We'll need your data/fs2_open.log file, and some more information about what problems you are experiencing.

Also, could you please continue this thread over in "FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support", as this is the release thread.
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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
You're probably getting better performance with an older build because it doesn't have features like normal mapping.

 

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
if this isnt due to a setup problem, ( i think it might be ) you can try using ntune and nvtray to boost your gpu a little , also try updating your drivers to the latest nvidia build might help
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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Uh, did you guys read his problem description?

He's basically saying that 3.6.10 debug build does not have performance problems while normal build does.

  

Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
i have the latest nvidia driver..for me is not a problem of driver but something inside the new code but i dont know where is the problem..the debug version work very, very well
i have a good performance like 50/60 fps but the scroll when i move is not  fluid...(is not a new mediavp files problem, i have the same problem with original "volition" files too)..


repeat: i have this problem only with normal release but all work fine with debug version. (and this is very strange)...
I have tried too this engine on my older pc with nvidia 7600 and all work fine...

I have made test on some versions:

- Official and past release candidate                                                                           (I have seen problems)
- fso-20080818_CHIEF_4712 (Shaders committed among other things)                    (the game scroll does dont work well again)
- fso-20080525_CHIEF_4627_PXOFlag                                                                       (all work well with no slowdowns and the scroll is good (fluid))

For my test i have used the same condition (driver and game options)

Chief1983 knows my problem and he said 3 month ago: "I know where the commit was, that's not really a question.  You can try out the build here ( http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55190.0.html ) if you want, that's the first trunk build with the new OpenGL code.  The latest build before that is probably the one from here ( http://www.freespacefaq.com/Misc-Downloads/Builds/Old/Scoring_Changes_2.7z ).  It should not have the OpenGL updates, but pretty much everything else up to that point.  So if the latter works well for you and the former doesn't, it's something with the original OpenGL Shader Language updates that's causing you trouble.  You might just try running the latest build with the -no_glsl command line option too, that would narrow down faster than testing a bunch of builds."

At today day this problem remain still open
i have tried to disable shaders via freespace launcher, but i see again this problem

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Several notes from that log:
1. Pleasepleaseplease with sugar on top clean up your FS2 folder.
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Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_adveffects.vp' with a checksum of 0x55caf318
Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_effects.vp' with a checksum of 0xe22bdcc2
Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_models.vp' with a checksum of 0x20b9069a
Those vps are OUTDATED and should be DELETED.

2. You are using a display mode with 16 bit color. Change that to 32 bits. Make sure your Desktop color depth is set to 32 bits as well.
 
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 03:45:19 pm by The E »
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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Also,
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-img2ddsdoesn't do anything good.

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Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\test2\Apollo_HTL.vp' with a checksum of 0xe624e5a3I don't think you actually need this.

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Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\test2\3-6-10-patch-by-aardwolf.vp' with a checksum of 0xca7dfb52Uh, what was this again?
Edit: Never mind, it was something legal.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 03:52:02 pm by Jeff Vader »
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23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
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14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

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14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]84.175.20.91] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

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20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
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11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Thx to all for all this hint  :) .
I have made a new test:

     normal version                                                    ----------->   scroll is ugly
     debug vesion with (show memory usage 0ff)     ----------->   i have the same problem
     debug vesion with (show memory usage 0n)     ----------->   scroll is perfect i have seen no problem and all work fine

This flag seem resolve my problem, but it is only for the debug version .... (in the normal release i can not enable it)
If required, i am available to test future new betas in order to resolve this bug...i love this project :p .


 

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Could you repost your latest debug log?
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Let there be stars and let there be you
Let there be monsters and let there be pain
Let us begin to feel again
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Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Sure... i have no problem to repost again.
Below i have posted my latest infolog files: one with show memory on and one with the flag show memory off.

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
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Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_adveffects.vp' with a checksum of 0x55caf318
Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_effects.vp' with a checksum of 0xe22bdcc2
Found root pack 'F:\Freespace\FreeSpace2\mp-710_models.vp' with a checksum of 0x20b9069a
F
You still have the patches for the 3.6.8 MediaVPs in your \freespace2\ folder. Remove them. You don't need them. In fact, they can cause problems.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
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Initializing OpenGL graphics device at 1280x800 with 16-bit color...You still are running the game with 16 bits of color depth. Change it to 32.
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Let there be stars and let there be you
Let there be monsters and let there be pain
Let us begin to feel again
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Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Sry i have forgot to delete them. Now there are no more, but the problem still remain.
My color deaph at the start is set to 32 bit...(I have set it with the launcher)...but the release seem doesn't take this change.
Anyway i have reposted my fs2 logs...thx for your patience :P

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Did you set your desktop to 32-bit color? Right-click on desktop, Preferences, Displays, something like that.

 

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Also, make sure you are using the 5.5d Launcher.
It's linked to in the 3.6.10 Final release thread.
Let there be light
Let there be moon
Let there be stars and let there be you
Let there be monsters and let there be pain
Let us begin to feel again
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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
I've noticed you're using   -novbo - that will be a performance hit.
For some reason you've set this under 'Troubleshooting->Disable OpenGL VBO'

You're still using a 16bit request to OpenGL - this does not bode well!
Why are your mediavps under test2/ ?
Please check both your desktop colour depth AND the launcher colour depth.
Note that if you're running under Vista you'll need to run the launcher by right clicking on it and select 'Run as Administrator'
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Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
I have disabled vbo flag....but nothing the problem remain again.  :(
Usually i use test2 dir for my fs2 testing operation or to build new ship tables or new missions...but for me is not here the problem.... and now i am using it to test this release..
Ah I have selected 32 bit in the launcher too... try to watch the screenshot of my desktop....


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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Have you updated the Launcher? There were some issues with the 5.5e Launcher when it was first released, which were only resolved this morning.
Let there be light
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Let there be monsters and let there be pain
Let us begin to feel again
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Offline Pizzi1

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Re: 3.6.10 performance problems
Now i have updated the launcher to the new bug-fix version..... now deaph color seems to work well, i have 32 bit.....but it is not the solution at my problem.
i have uploaded too, my fs2 logs.

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