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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
Even if there is a god, he definitely isn't the one in the bible. Or the Qur'an. Or the Torah... Religion =/= god. Religion is a power tool used by people who've been taught to be like that by people who've been...

There is no god, but if there was, why would he have all of these silly rules? Why make Jews jump through different hoops than Christians? Or Muslims?
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The thing to do would be double-troll. Just pretend to go along with whatever they say. That way if it isn't a 'hostile environment' then they get no credit. :D
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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
Even if there is a god, he definitely isn't the one in the bible. Or the Qur'an. Or the Torah... Religion =/= god. Religion is a power tool used by people who've been taught to be like that by people who've been...

There is no god, but if there was, why would he have all of these silly rules? Why make Jews jump through different hoops than Christians? Or Muslims?

I agree with the power thing, but I also believe that religion is a way to instill values. Not that anyone believes stuff anymore. Look at me, I'm a catholic raised athiest.
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Religion was a way to instill values dear to the guy in power, things like masturbation, adultery and the like were banned simply because some pope was against them, not out of importance.
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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
Ladies and gentlemen, colecampbell666, expert in comparative religious history and theological underpinnings. :p

 

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Wouldn't be for anyone who posts on this forum.  Pfsh, 2000 words in ten posts?  That's nothing when you look at the arguments we had a few months ago.

Mwahaha, I'm SO going to do that :D

Please don't.  It's hard enough to have a good discussion about this as it is.


Don't worry, I wouldn't unless the argument got personal. ;)

  

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Ladies and gentlemen, colecampbell666, expert in comparative religious history and theological underpinnings. :p
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My name is BloodEagle and I approve of the direction that this thread is heading in.  :yes:

No, wait. What's the opposite of approve?  :doubt:

 

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The important thing to remember about Religion is this:

One man worshipping a beard in the sky is a nutcase.

3 million people worshipping a beard in the sky is an institution.

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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
ERm...are we talking about ID as in "evolution doesn't exist" or ID as in "God created evolution, so design is intelligent".
I assume it's the former.

ID as in "There are things evolution can't explain about how life could evolve from single celled organisms to the life we see now. So God must have stepped in and helped/done it all"

Religion acting as a substitute for science or science supplanting religion is what seems to cause problems.

You know, I really ****ing hate it when people say that. When has science ever tried to supplant religion?

I've seen people use logic to point out the stupidity of religions. I've seen people use moral arguments to try to disprove it but both of those are philosophical arguments which have nothing to do with science itself beyond simply taking scientific fact as a starting point (and only an idiot wouldn't in any other debate so why shouldn't it be true here too?).

I'll agree that people who do that tend to be scientific but when it actually comes down to it, when have you ever seen anyone actually try to use science to disprove the existence of God or any other religion? What experiments can you say have been performed? What peer-reviewed journals have you seen papers published in?

Sorry to pick on you but that comment attempts to stick science on a par with religions endless campaign of dirty tricks against science. And it's complete and utter bollocks cause I can't think of any serious attempt to discredit religion using science.
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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
Putting it another way, science really can't disprove the basic tenets of religion, or at least the world's major religions, because such attempts would lie completely outside the purview of science.  The basic scientific method is founded on proposing hypotheses to explain natural phenomena and then creating experiments to test said hypotheses.  When dealing with concepts such as the human soul, the existence of an afterlife, or nature of God himself, there are no observations to be made, no experiments to design.  Even just limiting things to the age-old question, "Does God exist?", you're talking about a being that, at least by Judeo-Christian tradition, exists and operates outside the bounds of space-time itself.  We as limited beings within the framework of our own universe have no frame of reference to observe that which exists outside of said universe, so it all comes down to a matter of faith.  As a religious person, all of this is why it frustrates me to no end when those of a fundamentalist persuasion try to erect artificial barriers between religious faith and scientific study; not only does it exhibit an extreme ignorance of the scientific method, but it also demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the tenets of one's own faith.

(Or in other words, science trying to prove or disprove religion is a hell of a lot like science trying to prove or disprove string theory. :p)

 

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Personal gods mostly just bug me because they're so LAME. It's like, the universe is massive and mysterious and awesome and complex, and then all people can come up with for a supernatural being is some dinky god modeled after humans with every human flaw who has nothing better to do than hang around and listen to the little arrogant freak organisms on some insignificant dustmote in space whinge all day? oh, and he tortures you for eternity if you don't worship him *just so.*
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Putting it another way, science really can't disprove the basic tenets of religion, or at least the world's major religions, because such attempts would lie completely outside the purview of science.

I know but I've had enough of arguing that science can't or won't disprove religion and just moved on to arguing at the level of people who claim it does with "journals or it didn't happen" :p
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"But...but this website with bold red text told me so!" :p

 

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Wow, ok. Perhaps I should rephrase that. Mongoose's following post actually said most of what I was gonna say, so...
Geez, I really talked myself into a corner there, didn't I?
I don't seriously think that science can replace religion; they both deal with different things. However, religion can forcibly "replace" scientific study, and, well... it doesn't work all that well. Truth be told, I was simply trying to put together a clever little parallelism sorta play on words to underscore the differences of focus between religion and science.
Incidences of science being replaced (or attempted to) are easy to find. The converse only really exists in dystopian fiction.
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However, religion can forcibly "replace" scientific study, and, well... it doesn't work all that well.


And yet they keep trying. Watch "Jesus Camp" for a good idea as to the kinds of nutcases we're dealing with.
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Is there really a film called "jesus camp" :wtf: Who would endorse that ?!!?


Who the hell would act in that more to the point..
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It's a documentary, Dekker.  It shows the crazy anti-reason brainwashing that people subject their kids to in order to keep them true to their god. 
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Re: Trolling as part of your grade.....
Wow, ok. Perhaps I should rephrase that. Mongoose's following post actually said most of what I was gonna say, so...
Geez, I really talked myself into a corner there, didn't I?
I don't seriously think that science can replace religion; they both deal with different things. However, religion can forcibly "replace" scientific study, and, well... it doesn't work all that well. Truth be told, I was simply trying to put together a clever little parallelism sorta play on words to underscore the differences of focus between religion and science.
Incidences of science being replaced (or attempted to) are easy to find. The converse only really exists in dystopian fiction.
Could it be that we're in some form of violent agreement?

Like I said, I wasn't really singling you out for saying it. It's just that I've heard it once too often and it way it gives any weight to the fundamentalist arguments that science is trying to replace religion.

Like I said, you could argue that reason and logic are trying to replace religion but that's not science and it's completely typical of the idiots that call themselves fundamentalists to aim all their guns at completely the wrong target.
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That's like Conservapedia!