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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
Actually of all the Vasudan ships, the FS1 ships are the best ;\
The Tauret is terrible compared to the MK2.
The Serapis is let down by it's weapon configuration.
The Vasudan bombers are all horribly fail (in fact, I'd go so far as to say there's only two bombers worth flying really, ursa/boa :P).
And the Ptah is fat. (Fat Stealth!)
The Horus is still one of the (the?) fastest ships in the game.
The Seth has the best weapon setup for all the ships in the vasudan arsenal (not talking compatibility here, as it's been a while since I checked that, but I'm pretty sure it can carry proms/kay/morns/tempest, what else would you need unless you want a maxim?)
And the Thoth is the best dogfighter in the Vasudan Arsenal :P (*talking TvT)
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What about the Sekhmet?

  

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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
You have some mistakes in that list.

The Serapis's weapon config is fine. It's bad because it's made of paper.
The Tauret has a better profile than the Herc 2 from the back sides and front and it's got more missiles. It's not terrible compared to the Herc 2, but it does suffer from low weapon energy.
The Boanerges is worthless version of the Ursa - it's barely any faster, it's just as cumbersome, it isn't as well protected, it has the same capacity, meaning its pertty much the same all round just ****tier. The only bombers worth flying are the Ursa and Sekhmet. I like the Athena too though it isn't really a bomber.
The problem with the Thoth is that it can't do anything BUT dogfight.

Wait, I thought this thread was about weapon configurations. How did it turn into "which is your favorite fighter - redux" ?
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I have to say that if I'm going to listen to anyone about the worth of ships it's QuantumDelta, given his experience.

 

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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
Ok then, I'd like to hear the practical application of the Boanerges.
Looking at the table stats and model file it's not looking so attractive.

The only possible benefit I can think of is that two banks are larger and one smaller, thus possibly having a different rounded value for number of a certain missile due to how FreeSpace handles missile ammunition, allowing to carry more of a certain missile.

It may be true I haven't had much experience with playing tvt, as noone really plays that anymore (at least not that I've seen), but I don't see how that dismisses experience in singleplayer campaigns, which are much more accessible today.
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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
You're right about the rounding, and the Boanerges can carry two more Cyclops or one more Helios than the Ursa. Another nice feature is that Helioses load in even numbers, making the Boa the perfect Sath disarmer (e.g., for the BP:AoA mission "A Time for Heroes").

EDIT: To pretend that this is on topic, if I'm flying the Boanerges I like to arm Kayser / Tornado / Helios / Helios.
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Typically in bomber missions I concentrate on trying to score EVERY capital ship kill possible, so every secondary bank is a bomb.

 

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I managed to do that on two of the Raptor missions.  Insta-Lieutenant.

 

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Raptor?

 

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Missions flying for the 64th Raptors.

 

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I got every capital ship kill in the game on one playthrough.

 
Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
You have some mistakes in that list.

The Serapis's weapon config is fine. It's bad because it's made of paper.
The Tauret has a better profile than the Herc 2 from the back sides and front and it's got more missiles. It's not terrible compared to the Herc 2, but it does suffer from low weapon energy.
The Boanerges is worthless version of the Ursa - it's barely any faster, it's just as cumbersome, it isn't as well protected, it has the same capacity, meaning its pertty much the same all round just ****tier. The only bombers worth flying are the Ursa and Sekhmet. I like the Athena too though it isn't really a bomber.
The problem with the Thoth is that it can't do anything BUT dogfight.

Wait, I thought this thread was about weapon configurations. How did it turn into "which is your favorite fighter - redux" ?
The Serapis being made of paper isn't 'in combat terms' any different to any of the other lights (*depending on what you class as a light, for me that classification is the stealth fighters, loki, thoth, horus, perseus, uly, of these there is a clear and complete winner, Perseus has more secondaries and a better setup for it's primaries), especially in the hands of an experienced pilot (*If I'm /serious/ about winning a TvT, and am not playing in a +150-350 ping environment, I will fly a Perseus, however I will often advise new pilots away from fighters that light as they're /very/ unforgiving), but the Serapis' second primary bank is too wide, it's ONLY useful against big targets, or targets that have a wide frame (like the other vasudan targets).
The Tauret does not have a better profile in a dogfight than a MK2, sure, it's thinner head on, but in an actual 1on1 (or more) situation, unless the Tauret pilot is better than you, you will see him from above or (most commonly) below most of the time, same weakness as the Myrmidon (Model designers take note), this means they present a HUGE target, the Tauret (well, vasudan fighters in general but the Tauret is the worst offender of all the fighters in the game) is ridiculously long AND wide, it's just thin, one of the redeeming features (compared to terran ships) that most Vasudan ships don't carry is the fact that there isn't any important subsystems 'easily' hittable in a furbal, the Tauret also breaks this trend by having it's sensors in a very vulnerable position on the front of the ship (which you can dump rockeyes into very easily if you're skilled enough).
The Sekhmet is a bit of a mixed bag, it can't decide whether it's an ultra heavy fighter (Ares competitor) or a bomber, arguably good in multi-role but never used in the campaign, the Sekh also has subsystem weaknesses available on the front of the ship, it's banks secondary banks aren't as useful as a Boa (double shot helios), it doesn't have a turret, it presents a bigger profile front on than an Ursa (smaller from above but again the turret is good for that situation) - It would be my third choice as a bomber, but for missions where I'm likely to have problems with fighters I'd rather have the Ursa, at least then I can ram them and be SURE I'll come off the better, for missions with no or few fighters - the boa just wins because it can carry 10 helios and shoot them all off in pairs.
And you're quite right about the thoth as well but it does deserve an honourable mention since it IS the best ship in the game at that job (*note for all the light dogfight missions you might ever fly).
The only real way to make use of the useless weapon alignment in the Serapis is if you're on a mission where you need to de-turret stuff, you use the wide bank for a maxim and the small one for something anti fighter.

I generally try to stay away from bombing stuff except when a mission forces me to :<
I'll be happy to don a maxim in a secondary bank and rip all the turrets off a ship for the bombers but actually flying around in a brick isn't my thing :P
Oh.
The Sekhmet does have one good purpose.
3 banks of trebs + maxim = ultimate ranged disarmer/cruiser killer.

I know I followed up on the derail but yea.. :P
The classic coop combos are basically;
Ares Maxim/PromS(or Kayser depending on your taste and the difficulty), Tempest/Trebs. - This setup, when available is THE setup to take into a mission you're trying for the first time, it's the most versatile.
Perseus Kayser/PromS/Tempest/Tempest - ultimate dogfighting machine >.>
Erinyes Kayser/PromS or MorningStar/PromS(Kayser again depending on pref)  Rockeye/Tempest (THE setup to take as a host or low ping pilot to obliterate entire wings of fighters, tvt or coop it's the highest firepower setup in the game, the rockeye are for tactical disarming (you swoop in onto a target but not enough to make them turn away and leave rockeyes almost at point blank range heading for their sensors/weapons depending on the ship).
If you're against the AI, especially on lower difficulties and you want to be a heavy anti fighter type, more or less anything (herc mk2/ares works best tho) with MorningStar/Kayser/PromS with Harpoons and Trebs.

For bombers it depends a lot more on what you're doing and what's available to you, but the reason I like the Ursa over the Boa and the Sekhmet, especially for higher difficulties where you can't afford to just hold down control with a maxim vs a fighter, is that the Ursa gives you two banks - the tri-bank gets a maxim and the dual bank gets a proms or kayser (can it carry a Kayser? I forget), when you're in a bomber though unless you have some mission critical need to take something else(normally this means trebs), you should always take max banks of bombs and rely either on your wingmen or some good energy and shield management with a little bit of jinking to get you into a position to deliver them.

I'll shut up now cuz that's waaaaaaaaaay more than I originally intended to say in this thread lol
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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
That it's obsolete and its only redeeming quality is its looks? :P

NO U, I used the Seth and love the afterburner boost (although the Sammael fried me with an SRed while I was flying it once).

Tempests are brilliant. The "High payload dumbfire" description is not a lie.
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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
In case that isn't clear, I was referring more to target profile than looks. Given that its afterburners and shields are still adequate, I find the Seth still serves well when the going gets tough -  when you'd be too busy evading fire in light craft to deal much damage yourself and where something heavier - especially the Sekhmet which is otherwise brilliant - can get into real trouble because they get hit too often for their shields to compensate.
The Tauret has a lot more firepower and the disadvantages in shielding and profile don't look like much... but theory aside, I tend to have a better survival rate in the Seth.

The Serapis is ideal if you appreciate manoverability more than anything else in a dogfight but still need to do some support work: If the other bank has to be Maxims anyway, your dogfighting primaries will have the best positioning you could hope for. An asymetrical secondary capactity makes what you have count for more - 120 tempests are enough to support your primaries (and with just a single bank, you definitely need some) and you can still carry a decent load of standoff weaponry in the larger bank.
Equipped as a pure dogfighter, it still has a lot of minor advantages over the Thoth. I'd rather take 50% more primary firepower most of the time, but  the handling of the Thoth is ideal  for my abilities anyway - anything twitchier and my aim tends to suffer.

I agree that the Perseus is a very practical choice... personally I find it a little bland and prefer something with more defined strenghts, but all other light fighters have inadequate shields or secondary capacity. While I consider the Loki the top Terran dogfighter, the Perseus can do anything the Loki can almost as well and having 4 times the missile capacity is a rather noticable advantage.

 

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I have no love for the Horus. It's slow pitch rate made me die once, and I'd rather fly intercept in a Serapis.
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Re: FS2 weapon pairing of choice?
The Seth is the best Vasudan ship, and one of the best period. Great firing configuration, lots of missiles, tough armor, and acceptable performance in a dogfight. Most other Vasudan ships are a real pain to aim with, and are generally inferior to Terran counterparts. The Sekhmet is a nice bomber, though.

Leave space superiority to humans. Vasudans are for heavy assault and bombing.

 

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The Tauret isn't bad as a missile boat... :drevil:
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Hate the weak cannon capacitor, though. Six Prom S's might be fun, but that low energy threshold is a real disappointment. I'll take a Herc 2 over the Tauret any day. If I'm not mistaken, the Herc is more maneuverable as well.

If the Tauret is to be commended for one thing, it's a good amount of speed. The missile capacity is great, but the placement of the banks is not good for dogfights at all. Given the size of the banks, the Tauret might actually do well with at least one bank of Rockeyes, as Tempests will not be in a good firing position (unless you're blasting bombers).

I'd think you'd want the quad primary bank loaded with the Mekhu, the dual with Prom S, one bank of Harpoons and a bank of Rockeyes for a "high-impulse" dogfight/interception mission.

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Just to change to subject slightly I think one of the best ships is the Perseus. Take it with two Kaysers and Two Harpoons and you're set to go dogfighting   :)

But for bombing boa still strangely feels best for me, dunno why  :confused:
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Oddly, I'm not a great fan of the Perseus. The low gunmounts are a bit strange to get a hold of. My favorite interceptor is the Loki, bar none.

As far as bombers go, my fav is the Medusa. Fairly maneuverable, and the Kaiser turret, if properly used, is quite useful in a dogfight. And I'd actually be an advocate for the Zeus. It's pretty small and handles like a heavy fighter (compare it to the members of the Herc family). Also note that the two gunbanks give more operational flexibility than most other bombers. It's probably as close to the Athena that you'll get in FS2.

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