[General Battuta]

Pretty much.

[High Max]

@Zack: Yes, whatever you want to think. Of course I don't blame all my problems on women. I admit fault usually and blame people who I feel are at fault, be them men or women, it matters not to me. Maybe you misunderstood my meaning, or did I use the word incorrectly? I was using it as a substitute to feminist, or bossy controlling women who think they are superior to men and always put their own things before family and people, or misandry.

[iamzack]

The term is used exclusively by misogynists to silence uppity women. It's also an auto-losetheargument.

[General Battuta]

Yes.

Feminism aims to correct deep-set inequalities between men and women. It does not seek to place women above men.

[karajorma]

Feminism aims to correct deep-set inequalities between men and women. It does not seek to place women above men.

To be fair, some people claiming to be feminists do want to put women in power above men. They're the ones who make ridiculous statements like how the world would be better run by women cause women don't start wars. But they are a very small minority and aren't what High Max is on about.

I'm fully aware that 98% isn't equal to 100%, and that even if both parties are using contraception, the small potential for pregnancy still exists.  Reasonably-informed people who choose to have vaginal intercourse presumably know about this potential beforehand.  It's like choosing to walk around outside in a thunderstorm: the odds that you'll get hit are still very low, but they do exist, and unless you're dumb as a brick, you know this to be true even as you walk.  As I alluded to before, there are forms of mutual sexual activity that convey absolutely no risk of inadvertent pregnancy.  The way I see it, if you want to be 100% sure, stick to those methods and skip the penis + vagina altogether.  Otherwise, come to terms with the fact that there's going to be that 1% chance.

I have. That's what abortion should be for. If I'm a woman who did everything I could to prevent a pregnancy and one still occurs I should still be able to get an abortion and get the outcome I wanted. The net result is still no pregnancy which is exactly what was the desired outcome.

What you suggest is ridiculous though. You seem to be saying that if you do something that results in an outcome you didn't plan for you have no right to mitigate the effects and simply have to carry them around for the rest of your life. That's like saying the person who took the 1% chance of getting hit by lightning shouldn't get a skin graft for any burns they got since "They knew the risk"

[Kosh]

Part of the problem with this is when people come into a country with backwards values (such as stoning of women being "acceptable") and insist that their backwardness be respected, would should be done? Where do we draw the line? The fundemental problem is that muslim societies in general are about a thousand years BEHIND us, they still hold to ideas that we ourselves abandonded decades ago, so why should we respect values that we ourselves have been trying so hard to stamp out in our own cultures?


The issue with hispanic immigrants in the US as far as I'm concerned is not what their parents are doing, its the kids. The parents at least try to do something by working hard, they aren't the problem. The problem is their children. Often times they go to some of the worst schools ever, and too frequently they get pulled into gangs. A while back I found a blog written in the mid to late '90s by a teacher who was teaching in pico-union, and he talked about this. By 7th grade the majority of the kids there had been pulled into gangs, although I can't seem to find that blog anymore (I think it was called "inner city blues" or something but I don't remember). It's no accident that membership in hispanic gangs has exploded right alongside hispanic immigration, which causes lots of trouble for everyone.

[karajorma]

Stick people in crappy schools, you'll get crappily educated people as a result.

I really hated to rain on everyone's parade but when everyone was patting themselves on the back that America had elected a black president I simply thought "Meh, call me when you elect a Hispanic one"

[Mongoose]

What you suggest is ridiculous though. You seem to be saying that if you do something that results in an outcome you didn't plan for you have no right to mitigate the effects and simply have to carry them around for the rest of your life. That's like saying the person who took the 1% chance of getting hit by lightning shouldn't get a skin graft for any burns they got since "They knew the risk"

"Rest of your life"? Try several months.  This isn't something that an unwilling recipient has to deal with for the rest of her life.  You can carry the baby to term, give birth, put it up for adoption into a family that actually wants it, and never even think about it again if that's your wish.  Don't want to have even a remote chance of that?  Then don't have vaginal sex.  Really, I don't know any other way to convey that sentiment more clearly.

Putting aside issues such as financial or societal pressure, when it comes down to a simple "I don't want to" opinion, I think it's just one massive case of people wanting to have their cake and eat it too.  You know there's a tiny risk of pregnancy while having sex even if you use protection, but you do it anyway.  And if you wind up falling in that 1%, you just snuff that entity out, just because it would inconvenience you.  There's a staggering simple alternative, one that still allows one to think with one's pants, but no, that'd be far too easy, wouldn't it?  Instead, let's build up a big international abortion industry, just so we can keep screwing in the coochie.  Wonderful, humanity.

[High Max]

You know there's a tiny risk of pregnancy while having sex even if you use protection

If you use the pull out method correctly, they say the chance of getting the girl pregnant is about as likely as using a condom. Of course the likely-hood may also increase or decrease depending on the age of the woman, perhaps also the age of the man, etc.

[Colonol Dekker]

Blah. Once most women get knocked up their hormones kick in and they turn all possessive.
 
Men can be feminists too.
 
Actions have consequences, consequences imply responsibility by their own presence. But it's the individuals paragotive to act on those consequences within or without the law as they see fit.
 
I have consequences . . . .full life consequences

[High Max]

Maybe feminists have too much testostrone coupled with a lack of estrogen or some sort of other strange hormone coctail problem. Maybe it is like this: More than normal testostrone for a woman = tomboy. A little more than that = feminist. A little more than that = lesbian and all the above in one.

In the USA, they do put steroids in the beef and many Americans eat too much beef. Maybe there is a connection. Maybe also all those strange chemicals in the foods contribute as well. Too much beef and hot dog meat has been associated with colon cancer and other problems as well. Perhaps it may cause other cancers too, like breast cancer or may also be part of the cause of prostate cancer.

[Mars]

I am not even going to comment on the above statement other than to say that it saddens me that people still think like that.

[Colonol Dekker]

Max, you do realise you agreed to terms and conditions when you signed up right? blatantly inflammatory posts are toeing a fine line under my duress.

[High Max]

That was nothing compared to what people like Liberator and Turambar said earlier and some others say. Why pick on me? Plus, my comment could even be considered scientific.

Mobius has been telling me that I should abandon General Disc and I'm really thinking he has a point and I'm seriously considering it. I guess on this site, some people can say what they want if they are well liked and if it is purely liberal and even disturbing with no complaints at all, but if it is people like me, it is different. Is that fair? It is playing favorites.

People get flamed for any conservative values on this forum whatsoever and any disagreements with the mainstream person here. I take both sides to a certain extent since I believe a mix of both liberal and conservative. Plus, I didn't directly insult anyone or call anyone anything and never threatened anyone and others do sometimes and call others stupid and idiot, but they get away with that. I can't believe this. It isn't fair.

[Bobboau]

you are not being persecuted because you are conservative.

you say things that are 'stand out in a crowd' stupid, I still find my self reading threads and I come to a post and have a pain in the sides of my head from what I'm reading and how nonsensical it is and then I look and see your name.

[High Max]

I don't care what people who don't know me think. It is all your opinions. None of you could understand me because you don't know what it feels like to be me or my experiences and what I see. Some people are luckier than others. Think it is stupid and I'm stupid if you all want. I've had about enough of people. They have no heart and I trust no one much. I only like to be liked by good people anyways and am very selective. I choose not to get close to many people because I see the truth. They care only about themselves and I should close my mind to people to avoid stress and them trying to manipulate me or some pretending they care. I remember it and won't forget it and I don't want to forget. It is all hopeless and the human species is hopeless. I don't know why people care so much about a species who is so selfish. I need sleep and need to calm down. Mobius is right. I should have quit posting in gen disc when I was ahead. And I never said I was conservative. I said a mix.

People only disappoint, friends also. In my experience. They don't show you much attention and they forget you. That hurts. I know what pain and disappointment feels like, probably more than many people. Seems that hate in this world is much stronger than love and friendship. Bonds of the people are weak, usually. Sometimes I feel extreme hate and I rarely smile these days. More bitterness. Love and true friendship is usually hard to create and is easily destroyed and hate is easily created and hard to get rid of and if someone is with someone, it is usually only for themselves, not out of love or you as a person, much more these days and especially in the west. Love is conditional but hate is more unconditional. One mistake and a person will never trust you again or care much about you, even if you did many good things, it seems in many cases.

[Liberator]

This country was founded and the government set up such that the rich had all the power. So actually putting the power in the hands of the people at large is, well, destroying America's foundations.

It's a fact that when this country was formed only (inherently) white landowners could vote.  Because they were the only ones who could afford to well educated and be relied upon to stay abreast of any issues at hand.  It's a known fact that people who are poorly educated are easily manipulated by people who are well educated.

you are not being persecuted because you are conservative.

Believe me when I say that it really doesn't feel like that most of the time.  Most of the time I feel like I'm being ridiculed and mocked for my beliefs and stances which is galling considering most of the people who are doing it are the first to call for tolerance if they're hotbed issue comes under scrutiny.

[Bobboau]

"Think it is stupid and I'm stupid if you all want."
will do

well, lib, I'll have your back on any small government argument, but I'll have to disagree when you want to expand the government into my bedroom.
and I think I sort of agree with you here, an exsistant culture is suicidal if it welcomes a huge surge of outsides to displace the existing population, though a suicidal culture is what you would expect if it focuses only on it's negative points and specifically points out cultural pride as a source of said problems. my biggest problem with the multiculturalists is they don't treat western civilization the same as every other culture, its a one way road, we can learn from the rest of the world but they have nothing to learn from us to the point of Xenocentrism. honestly I think we should all just mind our own business. personally learning about the rest of the world is good, importing another culture wholesale is not so much.

[Spicious]

That was nothing compared to what people like Liberator and Turambar said earlier and some others say. Why pick on me? Plus, my comment could even be considered scientific.

Finally, conclusive proof that you truly have no idea what science is.

[TrashMan]

Meh. I think ya all are stupid. Humanity needs to be eradicated.


But really, we all know why this is happening. It's because the western culture set itself up for a slow "death". Everything about it seems like it's geared against more children.
Think about it.
It emphasises living out your dreams and being somebody (and a parent doesn't count as somebody important), the cost of bringing up and educating your offspring is redicolous (have you even look at the prices of kids items? How the hell do you justify those prices? How can baby pants cost 4 time more than regular pants when they use so little material? Are they made from friggin gold?).
Then the housing is a problem, and since the culture is so consumer-oriented, people feel like they NEVER have enough money cause they need item X. And they go to redicolous lengths to get it. Wasn't the financial crysis caused by so many pople taking loans by morganing their homes? Because they couldn't live without that shiny new plasma TV and designer handbag.
Seriously, the whole western culture is rigged to push children into the background - they're not the future, they're an obstacle to happines. And then people wonder why the west is dying out! Here's a hint - it's because it's STUPID.