[Stormkeeper]

These ships look lame AND ugly...what a combination. I hope the SCP engine is not infected with this ugly universe's crap. A metallic eagle headpiece...SERIOUSLY??? Give me FS and BSG ships any day over this lameness..

... Whilst I may not agree on bringing BFG to FS, I must ask you, sir, to take back your insults against the ships of the Imperium. For to insult the Imperial Navy is to insult the Imperium, and by that extension the Emperor himself!

But seriously. They're really very beautiful; plus I daresay they can probably outgun any FS ship.

[Ace]

These ships look lame AND ugly...what a combination. I hope the SCP engine is not infected with this ugly universe's crap. A metallic eagle headpiece...SERIOUSLY??? Give me FS and BSG ships any day over this lameness...

An open mind is like a fortress left unbarred and unguarded.

[General Battuta]

These ships look lame AND ugly...what a combination. I hope the SCP engine is not infected with this ugly universe's crap. A metallic eagle headpiece...SERIOUSLY??? Give me FS and BSG ships any day over this lameness...

Troll!

[Stormkeeper]

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates left unbarred and unguarded.

Fix0red.

[NGTM-1R]

And people saying that a bomber can't damage a ship are wrong as well.
An average cruiser, take the Imperial Lunar Class Cruiser. Or the Armageddon Class Battlecruiser. Both such cruisers have 8 "hitpoints"

Now each flight of bombers can do up to 6 hits (presumably one hit per bomber). So 12 bombers, can kill a cruiser. Is this ANY different from freespace whatsoever????? No. It's not. And one of these days people in this thread will wake up and realize that. (accounting for the fact that a BFG cruiser is a proper cruiser so probably somewhere between corvette and destroyer class)

Each flight of bombers is a full squadron of undetermined size, however other books from other series (primarily Imperial Armor) suggest that Imperial squadrons are anywhere from eighteen to twenty-seven craft.

The Lunar has that pesky armored prow if it's advancing into the strikecraft (and believe me, that happens much too often) and 5+ armor otherwise. Each hit has a one 1 in 3 chance of actually happening, at best. The average bomber strike of a single squadron will inflict...no hits, as the Lunar's turret array will shoot them down before release. (Also there's that painful bit about capital ships firing at bombers/fighters with their main guns sometimes.) To have a 100% chance of breaching the turret screen, four squadrons are needed, but realistically you can work with two. That will net you two hits. Six squadrons will get you six hits. Seven squadrons will be required for a one-turn kill, which is basically what we need to be talking about, because BFG strikecraft have to return to the hanger to rearm after a single run.

[Stormkeeper]

So ... seven squadrons of bombers. Let's take it as 23; about half way between 18 and 27. That's about ...161 bombers. Then you have to have escorts. Assuming one a bomber, that's a total of 322. That's a lot of objects, excluding the weapons fire and stuff.

I'm not saying I'm against it; I'd love to run down a Chaos ship. But unless the FSO engine becomes wonderously powerful, that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

[Droid803]

Who said you need to maintain that ratio for the sake of gameplay?
Just make a squadron four, you know.

[Thaeris]

In an abstract sense, what of a Warhammer 40,000 mod in general? Imaginably, more people are familiar with the planetary Warhammer 40K fighters than the BFG fighters/bombers. Things like landing ops or support missions in an atmosphere might actually be pretty cool... atmospheric combat is already possible for FSO (though I've never played such a mission). If and when we get Nuke's more advanced atmospheric flight modeling, it'll be even better. Also note that all or most Imperial "aircraft" can operate in a vaccum as well, so normal FS missions would work too.

The problem with a support mission is that it would require ground vehicles. SoL probably will adress this, but for the most part I do not believe that this is yet viable with FSO.

As far as BFG goes, does anyone actually know what a Fury or Stormhawk are supposed to look like? I've seen the diminutive game models, but those just don't have the detail to give an accurate impression of what they should look like.

In general, I'd say that a good BFG mod may someday be possible, but it won't happen with the current FSO. UNLESS it's extremely abstract. Think of Windmills: if you do distances like that with a similar interface, you could get off with massive capship battles just because the levels of detail would be so low.

-Thaeris

[Akalabeth Angel]

Who said you need to maintain that ratio for the sake of gameplay?
Just make a squadron four, you know.

Exactly. Who cares what the bloody numbers are anyway. The only person other than myself who's even looked at the game rules seems to be NGTMR.

A mod for BFG is entirely possible on some level, all of this other stuff is quite frankly excuses.


The only REAL problem with making a GW mod is:
A - finding people who care (to make it)
B - hoping some other people don't care (ie GW telling you to quit violating their IP).

[Stormkeeper]

I don't think that GW can sue you for making a mod as long as you don't earn a profit from it.

[Akalabeth Angel]

I don't think that GW can sue you for making a mod as long as you don't earn a profit from it.

Well yeah maybe. BFG is a game GW doesn't really care about anyway. They only really care about WHFB and WH40k and maybe LotR but most of their other games are supported for like a year and then dropped (because the peak profit period is past). So now BFG and all its kin are relegated to some sub-department called Fanatic or whatever it's called now.


Anyway. I just think a BFG mod would be cool because it would be sweet to see two huge ships firing salvos of cannons at one another like two old tall ships. Beams are cool and all but massive batteries of ship-to-ship projectiles have an appeal all their own.

[Stormkeeper]

Anyway. I just think a BFG mod would be cool because it would be sweet to see two huge ships firing salvos of cannons at one another like two old tall ships. Beams are cool and all but massive batteries of ship-to-ship projectiles have an appeal all their own.

I'm with you on that. Imagine watching lance batteries hammering away at void shields, torpedoes tearing after their targets, shells the size of Land Raiders hurtling through space ...

... Its almost orgasmic.

[Colonol Dekker]

In answer to the origingal question, there's absolutely nothing stopping you guys from making the models as you see fit and making your own mod or recruiting like minded souls to assist.

[Stormkeeper]

In answer to the origingal question, there's absolutely nothing stopping you guys from making the models as you see fit and making your own mod or recruiting like minded souls to assist.

Yes, quite. I'm just worried about the effects of the cathedrals on the framerate.

As for realism, I have been reminded that it's a mod, so you can go ahead and change the stats to make gameplay fun.

[Colonol Dekker]

The cathedral should have no more impact than the scar asteroids i'd think. I don't remember the poly counts for the Diaspora ships but they seem to be pretty large. I'm under the impression that the engine still runs quite well though.   

[Thaeris]

If you just want gameplay... there's always the "X-Wing" approach to things: just put enough detail into the model to make it recognizable as the subject ship (think detail-2 or -3) and have at it it might not look pretty, but you just might pull of your 400+ ship uber-battle!

-Thaeris

[Akalabeth Angel]

Thing is 400+ ship battles are seldom very fun for the player so who  needs 'em anyway

[Colonol Dekker]

NEver know til you try

[Stormkeeper]

Thing is 400+ ship battles are seldom very fun for the player so who  needs 'em anyway

It'd make a hell of a movie. =P

We should make a movie using FSO.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Thing is 400+ ship battles are seldom very fun for the player so who  needs 'em anyway

It'd make a hell of a movie. =P

We should make a movie using FSO.

Um, considering how aggravating it was setting up some detailed camera moves in one of my missions I think I'll pass and stick to making movies with Maya, Flash or hand-drawn.