[StarSlayer]

Anybody else have it?  I was really hoping for a more realistic WW2 complement to Ace Combat 6.  I find myself closing into gun range and hosing people with the Vulcan quite a bit AC6 and I was jonesing to hear the feral howl of Merlins and fierce chatter of Browning 50 cals.  I picked it up tonight and took it for about a half hour spin.  I don't think thats enough to form a qualified opinion but my initial impressions are a bit on the fence.  I really miss the control scheme from AC6, the setup allowed me to look around very easily, have a decent amount of throttle control and everything but the rudders are in easy reach.  I find the throttle setup in IL-2 a bit of a pain to control and the fact that I need to temporarily give up throttle and rudder control to look around very displeasing.  I was also hoping to just be able to hop in a FW-190D-9 or other bird of my choice and start ripping round the sky but apparently I'll need to do a fair bit of unlocking first.  I'll try to give better feedback after I've had some time in the cockpit but I'm curious to hear other folks impressions.

I'm really hoping this pans out nicely.

[General Battuta]

I crashed.

So much.

[IceFire]

I tried the demo for a while trying to make it work for me but I just couldn't do it.  The flight model is borrowed from the PC version which means its quite good (although I can tell they tweaked it a lot) but the control scheme on the 360 means that its simply not a fun experience when using the more realistic flight model.

You need a proper joystick to really have a good time with it.  Which means its better to go with the much more expandable IL-2 1946 version on PC than the Birds of Prey 360 version.  The graphics are beautiful and the planes are rendered faithfully (if not historically) but the next version of IL-2 will probably leapfrog over BoP.

[deathfun]

I played the demo, but it's not amazing. Sure graphics are quite good and the plane models look amazing, but it just lacks the comfortable controls with the controller. I find playing CFS3 a far better choice

[StarSlayer]

CFS3?

[General Battuta]

Combat Flight Simulator 3. But I don't believe that was on the 360.

[StarSlayer]

Ah I see, like I mentioned I was looking for something to complement AC6 on the console.  I had some good times with the first and second MCFS, and I've got a compilation edition of IL-2 for the PC waiting for me to get a new rig.  After a bit more fooling around I think IL-2 BoP will fit the bill, aside from the issues with the controls I think it will do well enough to suit my needs.  If I could remap the controls I think I'd be golden.

[mxlm]

Combat Flight Simulator 3. But I don't believe that was on the 360.

I thought it was incredibly boring, too. Picked it up for a few bucks a couple weeks back, uninstalled it after a few hours. Would much rather play some more Forgotten Battles.

[deathfun]

Combat Flight Simulator 3. But I don't believe that was on the 360.

PC flight sims are better for the singular reason you can customize your controls on a joystick

[General Battuta]

Combat Flight Simulator 3. But I don't believe that was on the 360.

PC flight sims are better for the singular reason you can customize your controls on a joystick

Yeah, but IL-2 Sturmovik is on the PC as well and kicks CFS3's ass.

[deathfun]

Only kicks ass with a computer that can support it

I don't have that computer
Ergo, CFS3 is better since I can actually play it

I found that the bombers die too easily in the demo. Come on, I shot you twice and you blow up on me? I didn't even hit anything relative to importance!

Maybe it's the fact they are Junkers (at least, I think they were... correct me if I am wrong), but still

[MR_T3D]

I found that the bombers die too easily in the demo. Come on, I shot you twice and you blow up on me? I didn't even hit anything relative to importance!

Maybe it's the fact they are Junkers (at least, I think they were... correct me if I am wrong), but still

they take more on harder levels, and the 87's are pretty tough relatively speaking.
also, tyhe heinkelss i think. He-111's?
i wih the game had a difficulty system siimiliar to silent hunter games, in that you choose what realistic options you want.
mainly because i want something inbetween then 800mph, 2-hit-kill and the constant stalling, losing control, crap realistic climb rate planes on 'medium'

[deathfun]

Ya, I wasn't so fond of being able to go Mach 1 in a Spitfire.

That is a little... fast don't ya think?




I'm not entirely sure what system they have setup with the speed gauge, because I see that thing going past 1000 when I accelerate (which should be determined by a fixed setting much like a joystick control). 1000 knots? 1000 km/h? 1000 m/s (damn)?

Or simply 1000 units

[General Battuta]

Only kicks ass with a computer that can support it

I don't have that computer
Ergo, CFS3 is better since I can actually play it

I found that the bombers die too easily in the demo. Come on, I shot you twice and you blow up on me? I didn't even hit anything relative to importance!

Maybe it's the fact they are Junkers (at least, I think they were... correct me if I am wrong), but still

Turn the difficulty up.

Your computer can't handle IL-2? Your computer sucks! You can't blame IL-2 for that.

[deathfun]

Turn the difficulty up.

I actually don't think the console demo had any harder difficulties to what I remember...

And yes, I do agree with you on the fact my computer sucks. But hey, I am currently putting research into what kind of cards I can work with, and whether or not I can actually install them (really sketchy motherboard, took a look at it)

[MR_T3D]

Turn the difficulty up.

I actually don't think the console demo had any harder difficulties to what I remember...

And yes, I do agree with you on the fact my computer sucks. But hey, I am currently putting research into what kind of cards I can work with, and whether or not I can actually install them (really sketchy motherboard, took a look at it)

had to unlock the harder ones, unless you're talking about the highest one, but medium the planes DO take a couple more hits to down.

[IceFire]

Only kicks ass with a computer that can support it

I don't have that computer
Ergo, CFS3 is better since I can actually play it

I found that the bombers die too easily in the demo. Come on, I shot you twice and you blow up on me? I didn't even hit anything relative to importance!

Maybe it's the fact they are Junkers (at least, I think they were... correct me if I am wrong), but still

You have a computer that can run CFS3 well but not IL-2?  IL-2 works well on just about anything...yes graphical details turned down...but still!

[deathfun]

Oh that IL-2

I was thinking that the one they have on console was made for PC as well

[IceFire]

Yep...this IL-2: http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=5163&tab=download&dcId=63

At the moment...its the best of the WWII air combat simulators available anywhere.  The graphics aren't as fancy as the new console version ...largely because IL-2 is several years old now.  But with the various updates to flight models, graphics, and so forth its still an incredible game.  Having around 250 flyables (fighter, bomber, dive bomber, attack/strafer, etc.) doesn't hurt either

[StarSlayer]

I think I'm getting the hang of it now.  Still a bit peeved about the controls and the ability to look around but I'm getting use to it, you need to go into options and tone the elevator sensitivity way the hell down to avoid the spins.   I wish there was a bit more feedback for the controller besides shoot and WEP, better driving games use feedback to allow the player to get the feel of the car and I'd appreciate having a little rumble to let me know i'm pushing the bird to hard.  I also wish their was a flight recorder, it's always fun in AC6 to go and watch a particularly good mission.  But overall I'm enjoying it especially on the higher difficulty/sim settings, though to be honest i figure once i stop being a cheap git and get a new rig IL-2 1946 is probably going to have this beat.

I'd really be stoked if Ace Combat would delve into different eras, WW2/Korea/Vietnam aircraft sets would be a lot of fun and a nice change up rather then keep using modern jets.   I'd be stoked for a little Crusader vs Fishbed action