[Solatar]

This is does my head in.
 

Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone.

[TESLA]

Good. Let's hope this continues.


No one seems to care what they do to Muslims but once Christians start being mistreated due to their religion the message might finally get through to America that they can't simply rubber stamp everything Israel does.


As for the term. Jew describes both the religion and the ethnicity. So you can be a Christian Jew, a Muslim Jew or whatever. In order to avoid confusion people use the term Messianic Jew.

here here!

Isreal gets away with far to much. A joke of a situation.

[MR_T3D]

This is does my head in.
 

Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone.

BLAMO!

and yeah, when i saw the title of this threaad, i was expecting something about a TF2 update, likely another fake one

[WeatherOp]

Very interesting, kind of funny also that I've started to play around with the idea that the Anti-Christ may come from Isreal.

But, anywho, I just wanted to be included in this thread.  

[Goober5000]

Although I'd normally stand up against generalization here, 'many American Christians' really isn't inaccurate, y'know.

He didn't say 'all'.

...You seem to have missed the fact that only the first half of that sentence was a generalization (and as you said, an accurate one).  The second half was blatant trolling.

In the spirit of stricter enforcement on General Discussion, I'm monkeying Kosh for an indeterminate period.

[vyper]

[Snail]

I still think reality is an enormous software simulation. Probably run by the Blender Foundation.

Not sure how this is relevant to the topic, but hey. Just throwing ideas around here.

[castor]

I think that'd make Blender Foundation a god (or whatever supernatural phenomena). Wouldn't change much in these discussions

[Sandwich]

Meh. Yad Le'achim has always been involved in doing what they can to prevent "missionaries" from being in Israel - including lethal violence.

Just like there are "good" Christians (Mother Teresa, say) and "bad" Christians (various extreme cults... inquisitions, and Crusades come to mind), "good" Muslims (your average, Western Muslim) and "bad" Muslims (Achmideninjad (sp?), bin Laden, and the wide assortment of terrorist groups around the world), there are also "good" Jews (your average Israeli, either secular or nominally religious) and "bad" Jews (extremist Yad L'Achim'ers, etc).

Notice, of course, the quotation marks around "good" and "bad" - I'm not intending to get into a debate about what defines good or bad here.

Suffice it to say that in general, whenever anything - particularly religion - is taken to an extreme, it tends to be viewed as "bad". So, while I PERSONALLY hold the opinion that Muslims have it wrong, and that Islam is evil (please note the differentiation between Muslims - people, and Islam - a religion), I would never attempt to impose that viewpoint on anyone, especially not through force or violence. Similarly, while I personally think that Rabbinic Judaism had a good start with the Old Testament but kinda missed the point about 2000 years ago,  I would never attempt to "convert" anyone to my beliefs through any other way than simply living my life according to how I believe God desires me to, and letting that be my witness and testimony to those around me.

In a way, I have a great respect for the various extremists around the world; their steadfastness in adhering to what they see as true, just, and right is something that at times is missing in certain parts of our lives. We've become so wishy-washy about some things that we should stand firm about, that we could stand to learn a lesson - yes, even from the radical extremists.

[jdjtcagle]

I think that was well spoken.

Even though I'm tolerant of other people and their beliefs I live a radical lifestyle and don't let mainstream Christianity fool you that is not a negative thing.

People will wrangle for religion, write for it,
fight for it, die for it; anything but live for it.

-Charles Caleb Colton

[Sandwich]

I find it interesting how people often equate "radical" with "fundamental". The words actually mean very different things...

[jdjtcagle]

I'm not sure what your trying to say.
Maybe I'm wrong but in my eyes the terms mean.

Radical: Extreme, I love being who I am. I don't doubt there is a better word.  But going on your thoughts that "various extremist" inspire you? No?

Fundamental:  Foundational?  I consider myself being fundamental in that way, I'm apostolic we go to the roots to discover what the apostles taught not tradition.

...am I wrong?

[Flipside]

A Radical idea is not always a Fundamentalistic one, and vice-versa, I think is what Goober is trying to get across. For example, the idea of flying was radical, but it hardly fundamental. In the same way, someone who has fundamentalist ideas isn't always radical, a radical fundamentalist is someone who is fundamental, and shouts when other people aren't.

Someone who decides to go self-sufficient, is fundamentalist, but not radical, for example, but someone who declares that anyone who doesn't go self-sufficient will end up burning in hell for eternity is being radical.

Personally, as I get older, I read 'radical' as being more synonymous with 'attention whore' than anything else.

[Solatar]

[quote author=Flipside link=topic=65930.msg1301222#msg1301222 date=1254775810
Personally, as I get older, I read 'radical' as being more synonymous with 'attention whore' than anything else.
[/quote]

Really the best summation I've seen thus far of that term.

[Sandwich]

I think is what Goober is trying to get across....

Jeez, I know Goob and I met up IRL and all, but isn't it a bit radical of you to presume that we exchanged something as fundamental as user accounts??

I guess I'd always been used to hearing about "Muslim fundamentalists" and "radical extremists" in the same sentence, often referring to the same people groups, and therefore I kinda associated the two terms with each other. You're right that they're not mutually exclusive.

[Aardwolf]

At least as I use it, "Semitic" is the race, and Jew(ish) is the religion.

Of course, having names for races I can't tell apart by looking at someone is kind of retarded, so I don't use the first much anyway, and religion is stupid in and of itself, so so much for the second one.

[BloodEagle]

 

[Sandwich]

At least as I use it, "Semitic" is the race, and Jew(ish) is the religion.

Arabs are also Semitic. FYI.

[NGTM-1R]

And Iranians are actually Aryan...

[Flipside]

I think is what Goober is trying to get across....

Jeez, I know Goob and I met up IRL and all, but isn't it a bit radical of you to presume that we exchanged something as fundamental as user accounts??

I guess I'd always been used to hearing about "Muslim fundamentalists" and "radical extremists" in the same sentence, often referring to the same people groups, and therefore I kinda associated the two terms with each other. You're right that they're not mutually exclusive.

D'oh! Sorry, don't know what possessed me to confuse you and Goober