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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
The best Star Wars material is in the EU - Traitor, Shatterpoint, the Zahn books.

You might be forgetting the fact that EU contains also the worst SW material - enough to drown a galaxy in it. In fact, the "best" material is like a drop of water in a desert of crap.

So yea...EU suckorz.
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
The best Star Wars material is in the EU - Traitor, Shatterpoint, the Zahn books.

You might be forgetting the fact that EU contains also the worst SW material - enough to drown a galaxy in it. In fact, the "best" material is like a drop of water in a desert of crap.

So yea...EU suckorz.

What's your point?  That plenty of it sucks somehow negates the works that are excellent?  If that is your reasoning then the movie franchise should be considered mediocre since the prequels are absolute bantha **** and RotJ had Ewoks.
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Yeah, seriously. Two-thirds of the non-EU Star Wars material sucks. More if you count the TV shows.

 

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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
What's your point?  That plenty of it sucks somehow negates the works that are excellent?  If that is your reasoning then the movie franchise should be considered mediocre since the prequels are absolute bantha **** and RotJ had Ewoks.
'scuse me, but Ewoks rule.  Just sayin'. :p

 
Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
What's your point?  That plenty of it sucks somehow negates the works that are excellent?  If that is your reasoning then the movie franchise should be considered mediocre since the prequels are absolute bantha **** and RotJ had Ewoks.
'scuse me, but Ewoks rule.  Just sayin'. :p
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Dekker, you would pull that card.  :p

And EU is good if you stick to Zahn, Stackpole, and a few others I can't remember.
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Hyperspace can only go along specified routes, or you have to constantly decelerate and change your course. In addition, with subspace you can pick the point you want to travel to and almost immediately arrive there, which is a tactical boon in a combat engagement. I'd say that over long distances, the two universes' ship speeds balance out.

Oh, and the Shivans would rip the Empire+Rebelllion+Republic+Ewoks a new one. Hell, the GTVA could do it. Their shields aren't as resilient as ours, and we have plasma turrets, repeating lasers, and beam weaponry. However, it seems that all other universes can engage from longer range.
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Nothing in that post is supported by anything in either universe.

Except for paragraph A, which is directly contradicted - hyperspace isn't restricted to particular routes, subspace is (nodes); the volume of space that the FSverse occupies could be crossed in minutes, along almost any path, by Star Wars ships.

The whole fun of crossover debates is sapped by this us/them thing. Your ego is not tied to the killing power of your universe.

 
Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
He did have a point- SW ships have to come out the direction they started in. FS ships do WHAT EVER THE HECK THEY WANT.  :p
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Yeah, but they can also start and finish independent of any nodes whatsoever.

And if ego were tied to the killing power of your universe, the Death Star says hi.  And the Sun Crusher.  And the Galaxy Gun.  And the other Death Star.  And the other one.  And the Eye (nostril) of Palpatine.  Can't forget the World Devastators.  Or the Eclipse and Eclipse II. (I'm missing one, I know it).

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Oh, and the Shivans would rip the Empire+Rebelllion+Republic+Ewoks a new one. Hell, the GTVA could do it. Their shields aren't as resilient as ours, and we have plasma turrets, repeating lasers, and beam weaponry. However, it seems that all other universes can engage from longer range.

Turbolasers can and frequently do liquify fighters.  Their shields are on EVERYSINGLE ONE of their ships, and any resiliency differences are immeasurable.  They do have repeating lasers.  They also have incredibly badass missiles, fighters that put FS's to shame, and the Force.

They also have the little matter of an entire galaxy behind them.  the combined GTVA has, what, thirty systems?  The Hutts have several hundred more than that by themselves.

 
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GTVA has less. And more than half are backwater systems that only have colonies for resources or simply colonies for the sake of small, pitiful colonies.
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This guy vs the massive brain trust that is GTVA Command.

Where is the betting counter?
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Star Destroyer main battery output is only in the kiloton range from ESB. FS fighters chuck things that do as much damage as a Star Destroyer's main battery with alarming regularity. As painful as it sounds, SW's weapons are actually much more plausible...and hence much less powerful. The subspace drive nullifies the range issue. The main gun of the Eclipses cracks continents, which is more or less what a Harbinger does. If the Rebellion had any weapon remotely comparable to Harbingers, the Death Star would have been a lot easier to handle; just excavate starting at the super laser.

On the other hand, SW has a significantly deeper reserves to call on. Including their answers to Alpha 1: the guys from X-Wing and TIE Fighter.

So they have two Alpha 1s.
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Don't forget the guy you play as for the last three missions of X-Wing, who is actually an EU character.  Say hi to Keyan Faralander (sp?).  THEN you have the unnamed awesomeness that is the player.

 
Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Nothing in that post is supported by anything in either universe.

Except for paragraph A, which is directly contradicted - hyperspace isn't restricted to particular routes, subspace is (nodes); the volume of space that the FSverse occupies could be crossed in minutes, along almost any path, by Star Wars ships.

The whole fun of crossover debates is sapped by this us/them thing. Your ego is not tied to the killing power of your universe.

Paragraph A is not contradicted - it is supported. While you can make small hyperjumps, a large one requires an actual route, e.g. Perlemian Trade HS route. If you are not on a mapped route, you have to make "microjumps" which means constantly dropping out of hyperspace and jumping onto a new course to avoid becoming a crater on an asteroid or planet. I have not been deprived of the EU of SW. I know some of this (mostly useless) crap. And there are many contradictions within the SW universe that undermine the idea that they could cover the FSverse in minutes, e.g. the amount of time to travel from Point A to Point B always varies, even in SW canon sources.

Oh, and there is no way a Star Destroyer could challenge a Deimos. Those two forward guns would peel the Imp Star Deuce like an onion ;)
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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Don't forget the guy you play as for the last three missions of X-Wing, who is actually an EU character.  Say hi to Keyan Faralander (sp?).  THEN you have the unnamed awesomeness that is the player.

Farlander is who you play for the whole campaign, except the last mission. I have the novella. I used to know the name of the guy you played in TIE Fighter too...


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Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
Nothing in that post is supported by anything in either universe.

Except for paragraph A, which is directly contradicted - hyperspace isn't restricted to particular routes, subspace is (nodes); the volume of space that the FSverse occupies could be crossed in minutes, along almost any path, by Star Wars ships.

The whole fun of crossover debates is sapped by this us/them thing. Your ego is not tied to the killing power of your universe.

Paragraph A is not contradicted - it is supported. While you can make small hyperjumps, a large one requires an actual route, e.g. Perlemian Trade HS route. If you are not on a mapped route, you have to make "microjumps" which means constantly dropping out of hyperspace and jumping onto a new course to avoid becoming a crater on an asteroid or planet. I have not been deprived of the EU of SW. I know some of this (mostly useless) crap. And there are many contradictions within the SW universe that undermine the idea that they could cover the FSverse in minutes, e.g. the amount of time to travel from Point A to Point B always varies, even in SW canon sources.

Oh, and there is no way a Star Destroyer could challenge a Deimos. Those two forward guns would peel the Imp Star Deuce like an onion ;)

And yet even a moderately fast Star Wars ship can cross a volume of space equal to the FreeSpace setting in minutes...maybe seconds. The fact that their galaxy is navigable by an average hyperspace-capable ship is testament to this. Subspace barely lets us hop around a tiny chunk of one spiral arm.

Assertion B (Deimos vs ISD) is one of those things we just have no way of determining...although you're giving a lot of credit to the puny TerSlash.


 
Re: Freespace vs. X crossover debate...sigh :D
While a TerSlash would only do superficial damage to a SD's hull, the slash of the beam would take out a lot of turrets and surface subsystems.  While a Deimos or two wouldn't do all that much damage to a SD's hull integrity, a SD would lose a great deal of its firepower as the TerSlashes rake its hull.
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[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems