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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
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All this Fox bashing on his part was just a smokescreen.


Fox is a rightwing propaganda station. Sadly CNN and MSNBC, while they USED to be respectable, have imitated Fox and have now become just as criticism worthy. I remember a time when our media actually did us a favor, sadly those days are long gone.
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Yes, being a Journalist used to mean reporting the facts of an event and not edit(orializ(ing)) to suit an agenda, regardless of affiliation.  Or at the very least having the editorials clearly labeled as such.
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Now, what they perpetrated was certainly criminal, but it was also an act of war against the United States.  That, to me, classes them as, at best, POWs, which are bound by a very specific set of regulations that I'm not familiar enough with to speak at length about, just that they don't get mixed in with the civilian court system.  It's up to the military to try them I believe.

Wrong.

Terrorists are civilian criminals. Always have been.

Furthermore if they are part of an army and therefore guilty of war crimes then Gitmo itself becomes even more of a national disgrace that it already is. Because if you are claiming that they are soldiers involved in fighting a war against the states then America has blatantly disregarded the Geneva Convention on how it's supposed to treat POWs.

Either these people are soldiers who committed war crimes or they are civilians who committed criminal acts. There is no third category.
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
The conventions do provide a degree of protection to organized civilian insurgency against an occupying power, on its own soil. But it makes certain demands that they be recognizeable when engaged in insurgent activities. The French Resistance in WW2, for example, tended to wear an armband when engaged in direct attacks, so that if captured they would be considered a "recognizeable member". A number of German officers served long terms in French prisons after the war because they ignored this caveat. These people, however, bear no identifying mark or uniform, and in the case we are discussing, are not on their own soil.

If you accept that they are in the employ of a legitimate government in some way, shape, or form, engaging in hostile actions in the territory of another government, not wearing a recognizeable uniform...the Conventions consider that epsionage and as such you have no rights under Geneva. You can be shot out of hand on capture as far as international law cares. United States law, however, typically demands a civil trial if it occurs outside a warzone and military detainment and trial if it does not.

However they are clearly not in the employ of a legitimate government in any way, shape, or form, and as such this becomes a matter for the civil courts.
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Yes, being a Journalist used to mean reporting the facts of an event and not edit(orializ(ing)) to suit an agenda, regardless of affiliation.  Or at the very least having the editorials clearly labeled as such.

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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
People like Ed Murrow and Walter Cronkite called. They want us to kick your ass.
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Bring it on!
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
People like Ed Murrow and Walter Cronkite called. They want us to kick your ass.
Perhaps-- and I'm honestly just spitballing here-- we admire people like Murrow and Cronkite because they were notable exceptions.

On the other hand, I think it's pretty clear that television news has declined severely since it was made answerable to ratings in the 1970s.
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
It's really hard to find legitimate news anchors these days...that are fairly well known.

When a comedian is the most-trusted news anchor in America (bear in mind I have no problem with Jon Stewart, I watch the Daily Show religiously), that says something about cable news.
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PBS for the win.

Huh. I wonder how that works with the 'government can't do anything right' crowd. Wait, I know, they claim it's horribly, horribly leftist and unreliable and hates freedom.
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PBS actually tends to be a bit right-of-center...
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Re: HI, I'M WOLF BLITZER AND I HATE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Depends on what you're watching. The News Hour is conspicuously right-of-center, but Bill Moyers and David Brancaccio certainly aren't.
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PBS actually tends to be a bit right-of-center...

Don't tell me, tell them.
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