[Reprobator]

hi,
I was playing around the autoaim feature because i have somwhat increased ou mod general speed and to compensate (it was getting quite impossible to hit fighter as they are quite small in size) the high velocity gameplay i thought that autoaiming and auto converging was a good way to go.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems to have any effect, even when targetting a disabled ship...
I ve tryed with an autoaim with a  fov of 5 but it didn't works, to ensure i've try with a fov of 30 then 40 and 120

Well even if i allign my cursor on the target (with just one or two pixel away) this doesn't have any effect.
I ve try it without auto convergence and at a distance of 400
DId i misunderstood the effect it should have?
here is the table entry anyway :

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....
$Glide: YES
$Autoaim FOV: 120
+Converging Autoaim
+Minimum Distance: 100
$Convergence:
+Automatic
+Minimum Distance: 100
$Warpin type: .....

If someone that use autoaim may help me, i'll be glad.

[Woolie Wool]

Jesus, that's a ridiculously high FOV value, and 100 meters is a ridiculously low maximum distance. This is Wings' formula, and it works:

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$Autoaim FOV: 5
+Converging Autoaim
+Minimum Distance: 1000
I think you should get rid of $Convergence if you use converging autoaim, the two functions may conflict with each other.

[Reprobator]

Well those high value was enormous, just to to ensure it does something, initially i just want something like 5/10 degrees.

Anyway thanks i will try those value and see if it work.

[Reprobator]

IT work!
In fact the minimum distance is the contrary to what i expected i mean i thought it was the minimum distance to enable auto convergence
for example when i set 100 i thought that when you were closer to 100 autoconvergence would not work anymore
If i understood well in fact it's the distance from what the autoaim and autoconvergence will be apply ed : IE when you set 1000 it mean autoaim will work when you are under a distance of 1000 beetwen  you and your target right?

[Woolie Wool]

Yeah, it's actually a maximum distance. I don't know why I said minimum.

[Reprobator]

Well because you are right, that's the way it's called in the table and in the wiki, now i have to test it on disabled target to see the effect of it and then balance it.
I wonder if it's applyed for the ai as well and how it will react if i had some few fof to it
I'll make some test anyway : Thank you very much.

[chief1983]

Wait what?  I thought it did behave as a minimum distance to take effect, that's the way it's supposed to work anyway.  I thought that's what FotG has been using it for.

Example:

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$Name: BTL-A4 Y-Wing
+nocreate
$Autoaim FOV:                 5
+Converging Autoaim
+Minimum Distance:            100
$Convergence:
+Automatic
+Minimum Distance:            100


[Reprobator]

Well from what i've try it doesn't or at least doesn't anymore , i ve try with the very high fov to see it clearly in work when i set minimum distance to 100 it works only when you are under a distance of 100 with your target.
In fact i think it would be very nice to have the option to declare when the autoaim and autoconvergence take effect
Exmple :

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$Autoaim FOV: 10
+Converging Autoaim
+Maximum Distance:                               1000
+Minimum Distance: 100

This entry would works like :
Autoaim will get trigered when you are between 1000 and 100 m of your target , if you want to shoot at a far target =No autoaim

[chief1983]

FotG test vid

Go to about 0:50 in and note the autoaim working from beyond 100m.  All the fighters in FotG are currently set up like the Y-wing with a 100m minimum convergence, and that was using a fairly recent nightly build.

I believe the maximum distance is just the maximum range of your weapon, there's not really much of a point to saying that you could shoot 1500 m at something you can target but it can't adjust the shot for some odd reason.  Minimum distance makes a bit more sense because it lets you be more precise.

There are probably some other good examples in that video of it in use at longer ranges.

[Reprobator]

That's really strange cause when i use the last nightly if i set a minimum range of 1000, the autoaim will work (unless i use glide, wich autoaim doesn't seem to like) when i m under a distance of 1000 with my target.

If i set 100, the autoaim won't work untill i'm under 100.

Anyway it works, so nevermind

[chief1983]

I can't say much about using Glide, haven't used it on FotG.  We also don't have any FOVs greater than 8.  Maybe try the Y-wing's settings without glide and see what happens.  Just set up a mission with a stationary target and see how it behaves.  I'm guessing you mean you still haven't got it to behave like I have but you can see that someone else has it working so it's probably not an issue with the code?

[Reprobator]

Mine are set to 5 anyway.
But for testing i've tried as you said.
and, well to be sure i explain well what happen :


First the Weapon max range i've played with was 1000 meters
Secondly the table entry :

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$Autoaim FOV:                 8
+Converging Autoaim
+Minimum Distance:            100
$Convergence:
+Automatic
+Minimum Distance:            100

And yes, that clearly works.
I gues i've been fooled by some kind of placebo 

[Nuke]

i think autoaim should have a track rate, so that the guns dont instanly lock onto a target, they have to track.

[chief1983]

That's a future goal.  Really it's a primary lock time, and having them get closer as the lock approaches could probably be done, but I was thinking of more of a locked-or-not thing.

[Nuke]

i was thinking of a starlancer kinda lock, you can use the weapons when if not locked, and they always are gimbaling twards the target while its in range, and you get a crosshair on the screen indicating where the guns are currently pointing. and then if you can move the weapon models as its doing that it would be super awesome.

[chief1983]

Well most of the star wars primaries don't move when doing that, except maybe the A-wing.  It's more of a focusing of the laser beam, which is why the cone is so small.  Just slight adjustments to bolt path.  When we get to implementing the lock delay we'll look at both possibilities.

[Reprobator]

I use to dislike a bit the starlancer autoaim, in my opinion i would rather prefer something like the starhatter reticle (like on modern plane, the reticle move to show you where it is goind to hit) and add autoaim as it is right now, i think that combo would looks cool.

[Thaeris]

I believe Komet's Japanese localization patch for FS2 has a reticle like that... I'm not sure if that's been merged into the SCP yet, though...

[Nuke]

i scripted a reticle like that some time ago. put the target ship in the reticle and pull the trigger and the shots connect.

[Reprobator]

i saw that on the video, it seems to be applyed on the rockets.
Anyway i guess mostly use of autoaim remain to counter smal fighter sized ship and high speed,
and it deliver what we ask for it for now.
Would you mind sharing your reticle script or it's some kind of top secret feature?