[Sphynx]

Okay, let me start off by saying that I want to edit a commercial DVD for personal use. I am not editing it to resale it or committing any other form of piracy. I would just like to take a commercial DVD and edit out a scene that I would rather not have my children see and that I feel doesn't add anything to the film.

I would like to have an end product that I could put into a DVD player and have it play like the original, just with the scene removed. I would also preferably like to not pay for a program to do this, so open source or freeware would be preferable. Does anyone have ideas or suggestions about how to do this. I get the feeling I would want a DVD ripper, than use something to change the format to something I can edit, edit it, change the format back, a burn a new DVD. Can someone give me specific suggestions or details?

[The E]

Well.....Problem is, you need to rip the DVD first, which, depending on your jurisdiction, might be illegal. At any rate, linking to tools that could do the job would be a violation of the HLP regs.

Now, once you have the data, re-editing it can be done quite comfortably via Windows Movie Maker, for example. That prog also has options to burn the new DVD in a format readable by any DVD player.

(On another note: Censorship "for the children" is the worst thing you could do to a movie, IMHO).

[Sphynx]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I can rip a DVD for personal use legally. Is that not correct? If that is not the case, I guess that is important for me to know. I don't want to do anything illegal. I guess I need to research the law.

[The E]

Again, depending on your jurisdiction. In order to rip a DVD, you need to break the encryption. THAT step alone is, AFAIK, illegal in the US. As are tools that do it for you.

The MPAA-approved way of making a copy for home use is to play the movie back on a TV or projector, and use a camera to record that.

[Sphynx]

Interesting.

[Mongoose]

It probably is technically illegal in the US, but it's essentially a completely non-prosecutable offense (and a pretty damn ridiculous law in the first place).  I'm not sure what the admin policy is on posting links to programs of that nature, but if they are allowed, I have a few that have worked reasonably well for me.

[BloodEagle]

Ripping anything off of a commercial DVD without explicit authorization from the copyright holder(s) is illegal under the DMCA.

[S-99]

Pussies in here can't even answer someones question because they're dumb.
THEN I SHALL EDUCATE!

1. First free program is called DVD43. It's a free CSS (content scrambling system - encryption used on dvd movies) decryptor.

2. Second free program is called dvdshrink. This is a dvd re-authoring, compressing, and ripping utility. Re-authoring is getting rid of subtitles, audio channels, special features, menus, foreign languages, de-regionalizing, etc. Compression is handy for when you rip a movie from a dvd9 (the almost 9gb variant of a dvd, all movies on dvd today are on this variant because it holds more data) and want to fit it on a dvd5 (the almost 5gb variant of dvd that movies use to be released on until dvd9 came out). You can re-author a dvd and compress (compression is optional) it down by 2 or 3 gigabytes and have no loss in video or audio quality (depending on how good you are) and it'll be playable in any dvd player.

3. Theory is that something decrypts the disc first so that other programs don't need to, which means any other program can attack the dvd movie in your drive later.

I'm not going to say where to get them other than use you're favorite search engine. And remember, they're free, you don't pay for them.

LOOK MA! NO LINKING! I DID IT WITHIN HLP REGS! I DID NOT EXPLAIN HOW TO USE EACH PIECE OF SOFTWARE I MENTIONED(people can go find their own howto's)! I DID EXPLAIN PROGRAM PURPOSE AND THEORY BEHIND THE METHOD OF ATTAINING THE GOAL!

Some other corrections are as follows. It's legal to backup your dvd movies for your own personal use. It's just been made law somewhere during end of summer that use or creation of software that decrypts CSS encryption on a dvd movie is illegal. The reason why this is because of the bastards who created CSS did a great job creating a weak encryption method. CSS can be decrypted with great tools like DeCSS and libdvdcss2.

Anyway, the law change for copying specifically dvd movies came out because hollywood and the creators of CSS are pissed that their encryption sucks. So their last resort of making their encryption effective is simply by making a rule that says "you're not allowed to decrypt CSS". And this only happened because hollywood and CSS creators get pissed that the likes of Real (you know, realplayer, realarcade...i mean them) had released to the market for consumers to use a program that lets people legally backup the movies on dvd they owned for personal use (Real got the **** sued out of them for a hissy fit by hollywood in their campaign aimed at removing a persons right to make backups of their movie content in the dvd sector of the entertainment industry). A legal purpose by a non legal tool. Ultimately, this is the only way to back up your dvd, you need CSS decryption software. However, plugging a vcr into the video outputs of your dvd player, pushing play on the dvd player, and lastly record on the vcr is legal.

CSS is there to keep people from playing dvd movies in unlicensed players whether that be an actual dvd player or dvd playing software on computer, it also keep people from copying the ****ing motion pictures too. Totally makes you think differently when playing a dvd movie with vlc compared to buying powerdvd and use it. CSS is another form of DRM (digital rights management) that was so not famous with mp3's, except in this case it's specifically for movies on dvd.

Remember, oppression from the entertainment industry because they want to control your **** with an iron fist...communism. They're doing this because they don't know how to refine their business model in the higher days of the digital information age which has caught them off guard. They ride on their exaggerated excuse of horse called "everyone's a pirate" (piracy isn't anywhere near as bad as MPAA, RIAA, or any other entertainment industry officials claim it to be). The MPAA and RIAA already charge you over price for music cd's, trying to make it illegal to rip them, and would love for you to purchase the same damn songs you already have on cd from itunes or amazon mp3 digital downloads if you want mp3's for your ipod.

Now people are going to ask what do i condone in any of this? I'm condoning education since everyone else is to afraid to answer Sphynx's simple questions and could give him nothing but warnings and hear say of law.

SPHYNX! USE THE FAST FORWARD OR CHAPTER NEXT BUTTON WHEN A MOVIE APPROACHES THE SCENE YOU DON'T WANT YOUR KIDS TO SEE. YOU'RE PROBLEM IS SO EASY TO SOLVE BY PLAYING AN ACTIVE ROLE IN MONITORING WHAT CONTENT YOUR CHILDREN WATCH BY BEING THERE AS A PARENT.

This product is called being lazy (as well as editing out a scene from a dvd manually) and dumb since technology is not a parent.

[Sphynx]

I want to clarify, it's not just a scene I don't want my children to see. I don't care for it either, and I'd rather not have to deal with skipping the scene. For the record, I do indeed take an active role in my children's media consumption, and my rule has been to not have anything in my possession that I would not want them watching. That does not mean that they would have to be interested in it, but rather that I would not object to them being exposed to it.

Anyway, I am not interested in breaking any laws. So, I will make a different choice.

[Locutus of Borg]

Now, after coming on here and dealing with all of this...

...don't you think it would have been easier to skip the scene?

[Sphynx]

If my only option is to skip the scene, I will not buy the DVD. As I said, I don't like the scene either, and my wife and I have discussed long ago that we would simply rather not own movies rather than have to skip scenes. We had always been okay with the idea of an edited version of movies, which you used to be able to purchase (or if you just waited for it to come on TV and recorded it with a VHS). But, I am not here to debate my media consumption and parenting decisions. I do not condone piracy or breaking the law. That is what is relevant to this discussion.

Although, from what I understand, if I transfer it to a VHS (in doing so I could easily remove the scene in question), that is not illegal. Am I understanding that correctly? And what if I, from there, burned that VHS to DVD? Would that be illegal? Just exploring options.

[BloodEagle]

By converting it to VHS you've made a copy, which is illegal under the DMCA. Unless the above mentioned new law applies, in which case you would be allowed to make exactly one copy, though I'm not sure if said law applies in this case.

Regardless, there's no legally non-gray area to do what you're talking about (unless you get written permission from the copyright holder(s), which I doubt you'll get). Your safest bet would be (if it's real and works) to use that ClearPlay thing mentioned above, because no matter what it does to do what it does, you'll be in the clear.

I'm curious as to which movie/scene you're referring to, now.

[Uchuujinsan]

By converting it to VHS you've made a copy, which is illegal under the DMCA.

Iirc making a copy is not illegal under the DMCA, breaking copy protection is. If it gets legally decrypted, you can copy it without violating the DMCA.

[S-99]

In other words converting to VHS is not illegal because it doesn't break CSS. Sorry sphynx for words of parenting, i was just really pissed no one answered your question.

What i do encourage is learning how to use the tools i mentioned. I believe in doing so it'll shed more light on the situation for the illegality of breaking copy protection on dvd movies in order to copy them (as well as the fear this legal tactic instills to control the drones). Hollywood and CSS creators are just pissed because opensource programmers broke their silly encryption method in effect letting people play dvd movies on non-licensed dvd players and dvd software. Hollywood and CSS creators are pissed because people can now effectively license their own equipment for playing movies for free (hollywood and CSS creators are losing out on their stupid method of dvd movie control which means they aren't making as much money since consumers now have free alternatives...it's all about money).

I guess no one likes to think about that thought exploration that gives you a different impression for you vlc to play your dvd movies compared to purchasing powerdvd to do the same thing. And yes, that little tool called libdvdcss for bypassing and also being able to create CSS keys is part of vlc; that's the only reason vlc lovers are able to play their dvd movies with vlc, it's because of a tool like libdvdcss being integrated into vlc...using vlc to play your dvd movies is illegal.

And you retards are going to say "well that only applies to vlc and libdvdcss", because some don't know how to expand their thought of something when expansion has been suggested. Well, it applies to more like vlc, media player classic, mplayer, etc. Any media player software that has the ability to play dvd movies by breaking CSS encryption that was not licensed is illegal.

Industry control, instillation of fear, by people who control the dvd movie industry sector. I choose not to care because living under constant fear of something like this is ludicrous. I don't copy dvd movies because i don't need to, I do however use mplayer for playing dvd movies and i distribute vlc among my friends (vlc is just one hell of a program if you ask me). How much do i care that mplayer and vlc use an unlicensed and therefore illegal way to play dvd movies; i don't care in the slightest. How much do the creators of CSS and Hollywood care, surprisingly only as far as they think everyones a pirate, which means you'd have to be pirating movies, and using an unlicensed media player isn't pirating.

Now in reality is how many of you don't care and go ahead and do stuff anyway.

[karajorma]

Remember, oppression from the entertainment industry because they want to control your **** with an iron fist...communism.

Something tells me you need a new dictionary if you think the government bowing to unreasonable demands from the commercial sector is an example of communism.

[BloodEagle]

By converting it [(a DVD)] to VHS you've made a copy [(and have removed the © protection)], which is illegal under the DMCA.

Iirc making a copy is not illegal under the DMCA, breaking copy protection is. If it gets legally decrypted, you can copy it without violating the DMCA.

I should have been a little more clear there, I suppose. :/

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In other words converting to VHS is not illegal because it doesn't break CSS. Sorry sphynx for words of parenting, i was just really pissed no one answered your question.

It is illegal.

What i do encourage is learning how to use the tools i mentioned. I believe in doing so it'll shed more light on the situation for the illegality of breaking copy protection on dvd movies in order to copy them (as well as the fear this legal tactic instills to control the drones). Hollywood and CSS creators are just pissed because opensource programmers broke their silly encryption method in effect letting people play dvd movies on non-licensed dvd players and dvd software. Hollywood and CSS creators are pissed because people can now effectively license their own equipment for playing movies for free (hollywood and CSS creators are losing out on their stupid method of dvd movie control which means they aren't making as much money since consumers now have free alternatives...it's all about money).

I guess no one likes to think about that thought exploration that gives you a different impression for you vlc to play your dvd movies compared to purchasing powerdvd to do the same thing. And yes, that little tool called libdvdcss for bypassing and also being able to create CSS keys is part of vlc; that's the only reason vlc lovers are able to play their dvd movies with vlc, it's because of a tool like libdvdcss being integrated into vlc...using vlc to play your dvd movies is illegal.

And you retards are going to say "well that only applies to vlc and libdvdcss", because some don't know how to expand their thought of something when expansion has been suggested. Well, it applies to more like vlc, media player classic, mplayer, etc. Any media player software that has the ability to play dvd movies by breaking CSS encryption that was not licensed is illegal.

Industry control, instillation of fear, by people who control the dvd movie industry sector. I choose not to care because living under constant fear of something like this is ludicrous. I don't copy dvd movies because i don't need to, I do however use mplayer for playing dvd movies and i distribute vlc among my friends (vlc is just one hell of a program if you ask me). How much do i care that mplayer and vlc use an unlicensed and therefore illegal way to play dvd movies; i don't care in the slightest. How much do the creators of CSS and Hollywood care, surprisingly only as far as they think everyones a pirate, which means you'd have to be pirating movies, and using an unlicensed media player isn't pirating.

I'm not quite sure what anything past the second sentence of that has to do with anything. And I'm curious as to who you're calling "retards," as I've read nothing inflammatory in any of the above posts prior to your own.

Now in reality is how many of you don't care and go ahead and do stuff anyway.

Well, there is a difference between illegal and immoral.

[S-99]

Something tells me you need a new dictionary if you think the government bowing to unreasonable demands from the commercial sector is an example of communism.

I slipped a joke in for drama

By converting it [(a DVD)] to VHS you've made a copy [(and have removed the © protection)], which is illegal under the DMCA.

Iirc making a copy is not illegal under the DMCA, breaking copy protection is. If it gets legally decrypted, you can copy it without violating the DMCA.

I should have been a little more clear there, I suppose. :/

Me and Uchuujinsan were both more clear than you.
Copying a dvd to vhs does not break the CSS encryption, because if you use a licensed dvd player, the CSS encryption is legally decrypted during playback so you can watch your movie, after that the dvd player is playing while hooked up to the vcr that's recording. It's not illegal to make backup copies of your own stuff for personal use. Also the DMCA is ****.

What i do encourage is learning how to use the tools i mentioned. I believe in doing so it'll shed more light on the situation for the illegality of breaking copy protection on dvd movies in order to copy them (as well as the fear this legal tactic instills to control the drones). Hollywood and CSS creators are just pissed because opensource programmers broke their silly encryption method in effect letting people play dvd movies on non-licensed dvd players and dvd software. Hollywood and CSS creators are pissed because people can now effectively license their own equipment for playing movies for free (hollywood and CSS creators are losing out on their stupid method of dvd movie control which means they aren't making as much money since consumers now have free alternatives...it's all about money).

I guess no one likes to think about that thought exploration that gives you a different impression for you vlc to play your dvd movies compared to purchasing powerdvd to do the same thing. And yes, that little tool called libdvdcss for bypassing and also being able to create CSS keys is part of vlc; that's the only reason vlc lovers are able to play their dvd movies with vlc, it's because of a tool like libdvdcss being integrated into vlc...using vlc to play your dvd movies is illegal.

And you retards are going to say "well that only applies to vlc and libdvdcss", because some don't know how to expand their thought of something when expansion has been suggested. Well, it applies to more like vlc, media player classic, mplayer, etc. Any media player software that has the ability to play dvd movies by breaking CSS encryption that was not licensed is illegal.

Industry control, instillation of fear, by people who control the dvd movie industry sector. I choose not to care because living under constant fear of something like this is ludicrous. I don't copy dvd movies because i don't need to, I do however use mplayer for playing dvd movies and i distribute vlc among my friends (vlc is just one hell of a program if you ask me). How much do i care that mplayer and vlc use an unlicensed and therefore illegal way to play dvd movies; i don't care in the slightest. How much do the creators of CSS and Hollywood care, surprisingly only as far as they think everyones a pirate, which means you'd have to be pirating movies, and using an unlicensed media player isn't pirating.

I'm not quite sure what anything past the second sentence of that has to do with anything. And I'm curious as to who you're calling "retards," as I've read nothing inflammatory in any of the above posts prior to your own.

Everything past the second sentence is more explanation of what i mean and the rest is more information for why things are the way they are concerning dvd movies and how tools or creation of tools that bypasses CSS is illegal (even down to instilling fear into consumers). Can you think of the big picture? Something says no since you don't even know who i'm calling retards. Alright, in my first post in this thread i resorted to calling the people in this thread names because everyone got all scared because of sphynx's question and neglected to answer it. Everyone was spouting regulations, doom and gloom for what he wanted to know instead of answering his question (maybe my example of controlling people with fear means something to you now). Pansies, retards, pussies, and other names is everyone who before me posted in this thread and didn't answer sphynx's question in cowardice.

Well, there is a difference between illegal and immoral.

What i said was true though. In reality people don't care and will just set out and do stuff anyway even though it's wrong. There's no disputing this fact. I will get back to what i am condoning with the software necessary for and theory behind copying dvd's by breaking CSS encryption. I support education and the fact that's there nothing wrong with learning how to rip dvd's in the way the law wont let you. It's fun to learn how to do things purely from an education stand point with first hand experience.

There's what you do with what you learn that only matters; we don't have thought police today so knowing and learning how to break CSS encryption is not illegal.

[Mongoose]

Everything past the second sentence is more explanation of what i mean and the rest is more information for why things are the way they are concerning dvd movies and how tools or creation of tools that bypasses CSS is illegal (even down to instilling fear into consumers). Can you think of the big picture? Something says no since you don't even know who i'm calling retards. Alright, in my first post in this thread i resorted to calling the people in this thread names because everyone got all scared because of sphynx's question and neglected to answer it. Everyone was spouting regulations, doom and gloom for what he wanted to know instead of answering his question (maybe my example of controlling people with fear means something to you now). Pansies, retards, pussies, and other names is everyone who before me posted in this thread and didn't answer sphynx's question in cowardice.

Or hey, how about we were being courteous enough to wait for the admins to rule on the appropriateness of discussion about this particular legal gray area before going ahead and providing examples.  I was all set to elaborate on one or two programs I've used if the admins gave their approval, and if they didn't, I'd be perfectly willing to get in touch with Sphynx off the boards and give him a few links.  Instead, you barged in here, flamed a few of us for no good reason, and posted a wall o' text anyway.  So, um, thanks for that.

[S-99]

Or hey, how about we were being courteous enough to wait for the admins to rule on the appropriateness of discussion about this particular legal gray area before going ahead and providing examples.

No, that's not good enough, we don't need excuses this time around. Quite frankly, you can't know how the admins rule on the appropriateness of a discussion or topic when they don't post. I've been down this road with the admins in this thread already. Kara made a remark about my use of the word communism, and the thread hasn't been locked. I also didn't provide any examples, i presented a theory.

I was all set to elaborate on one or two programs I've used if the admins gave their approval, and if they didn't, I'd be perfectly willing to get in touch with Sphynx off the boards and give him a few links.  Instead, you barged in here, flamed a few of us for no good reason, and posted a wall o' text anyway.  So, um, thanks for that.

Except you didn't elaborate, no one did. This thread was hanging around for days with no progress until i barged in here, because it was pretty apparent that no one was going to elaborate.

I don't understand the level of fear surrounding this topic. Answering sphynx's question within the rules wasn't hard.

Talking about dvd movie copying is not wrong. Talking about the tools that do it is also not wrong. We don't have thought police Mongoose. It's what you do with what you know that matters in this topic. People can get arrested for copying dvd movies, but you're not going to get arrested for knowing how to do it, and i was pretty far from showing people how to do it.

[Uchuujinsan]

Wait, arrested?
You can get arrested for this in the USA?
I know that it's only a civil matter here, and the criminal code doesn't say anything about it.
Copyright infringement can get you sued, but it's not an offence, or at least so I thought.