[General Battuta]

This is why prototyping is bad: people simply don't remember that women are soldiers too.

Some of this stuff is pretty disgusting: statements like 'she rode along with convoys' being interpreted as 'she sat in the back seat', rather than 'she provided overwatch from a Mark 19'.

Putting a few examples out there helps correct our availability heuristic back towards calibration. If we were on target, one out of every five soldier prototypes we generated would be female.

Good article. Make sure you raise a beer for the female vets too.

(And I don't want to hear any comments along the lines of 'women should stop *****ing and just act like the men,' please. The female soldiers say that's why they don't report their problems when they really should.)

[iamzack]

Women of any profession don't generally see the same appreciation as men in the same profession.

[Turambar]

Women of any profession don't generally see the same appreciation as men in the same profession.

strippers?

I should come up with an example that isnt degrading...

[BloodEagle]

Women of any profession don't generally see the same appreciation as men in the same profession.

strippers?

 

[iamzack]

guess i should have said respect instead of appreciation, then, for clarity.

i forgot you lot are mostly self-absorbed assholes

[SpardaSon21]

guess i should have said respect instead of appreciation, then, for clarity.

i forgot you lot are mostly self-absorbed assholes

This is the internet after all.  Being self-centered is a requirement for posting on forums.

[iamzack]

bull****.

[SpardaSon21]

Perhaps I should have added a smiley to it to get my sarcasm across.

[Scotty]

Women of any profession don't generally see the same appreciation as men in the same profession.

Nurses?

[McCall]

Women of any profession don't generally see the same appreciation as men in the same profession.

The voice of teenage experience.

[Nuke]

guess i should have said respect instead of appreciation, then, for clarity.

i forgot you lot are mostly self-absorbed assholes

face it, all humans are self absorbed assholes and i doubt youre any different. the idea that there are selfless individuals in the world fades quickly once you leave your communist run education system and start actually participating in society.

[Polpolion]

Minors are even more oppressed than women...

The sad thing is that most minors don't really care, and they ruin it for the few that do. Age certainly seems an arbitrary way to make these laws based off of...

[redsniper]

Thing is, minor status will go away on its own.

[General Battuta]

Minors are even more oppressed than women...

Now that's just silly.

[Flipside]

The thing is, it's not a concious effort on the part of the people in the towns, it's a much harder hurdle, which is the assumption that soldiers are men, it's been ground into people since birth, from movies like Commando and Rambo to toys like GI Joe and Action man, I would be interested to find the percentage of people who actually realise that females play more than a support role nowadays. This is similar, in some ways, to the fact that people like Douglas Bader and the 633 Squadron are remembered during WW2, and yet people like Nancy Wake are probably unknowns to many people.

[Polpolion]

Minors are even more oppressed than women...

Now that's just silly.

Really? As a 17 year old with a job, I'm a US citizen and a taxpayer. But I'm not protected by the bill of rights, and I can't vote. If this isn't oppression, then I don't know what is.

[mxlm]

. But I'm not protected by the bill of rights

Yes you are.

[Polpolion]

. But I'm not protected by the bill of rights

Yes you are.

If I'm charged with a crime. Even then, not all of them. Even if it were permanent and all of them, I still wouldn't be able to vote, which is an equally important part of our democracy.

edit: http://books.google.com/books?id=WI_z8MFuJsYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=do+minors+have+rights&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[blackhole]

. But I'm not protected by the bill of rights

Yes you are.

If I'm charged with a felony. Even then, not all of them. Even if it were permanent and all of them, I still wouldn't be able to vote, which is an equally important part of our democracy.

For christs sake, just have some patience and wait till your 18. The only reason the cutoff age is set at 18 is because most of the psychos have been weeded out at that point and we can be reasonably sure that a majority of 18 year olds can at least wipe their own ass. It would be completely infeasible to have a cutoff that was based off something that needed to be measured per individual and would just make a giant mess of things. Before saying you are oppressed by unreasonable restrictions, think about why they are there. You'll turn 18 and vote in your first election and then realize that absolutely nothing else has changed. There are people in my college dorm as old as you, in the first year of college just like me, and I'm 19.

[Polpolion]

For christs sake, just have some patience and wait till your 18. The only reason the cutoff age is set at 18 is because most of the psychos have been weeded out at that point and we can be reasonably sure that a majority of 18 year olds can at least wipe their own ass. It would be completely infeasible to have a cutoff that was based off something that needed to be measured per individual and would just make a giant mess of things. Before saying you are oppressed by unreasonable restrictions, think about why they are there. You'll turn 18 and vote in your first election and then realize that absolutely nothing else has changed. There are people in my college dorm as old as you, in the first year of college just like me, and I'm 19.

So you disagree with the statement that minors magically become well informed, responsible adults when they turn 18? Would you agree that some legal adults are actually not responsible enough to vote properly? Would you agree that some minors are more responsible in this regards than legal adults? If you said no to either of the latter two questions, then your answer to the first must be no. And it would be more feasible to have some kind of test or essay requirement to vote than it would be to, say, have a test to get a driver's license.

Even if just one minor was more responsible in this regards than someone that's allowed to vote, then something should be done to get him/her to vote. Unless you guys aren't keen on protecting the rights of the minority. And seeing as how everyone really stops caring when they turn 18, that's true in this case.