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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Avatar (aka Dances With Smurfs)
From another forum:

Actually, I'd say it's EXACTLY like every James Cameron sci-fi film. 3 groups
of people (scientists, corporates, and military) are working together toward
something destructive (whether realizing it or not). And just like all his
other films, scientists are always noble and rational, the corporates are evil,
and the military really loves to kill things without any real motive behind it.


In Aliens, Ripley the scientist is always right, I'm not sure why she SHOULD be
right considering all she did was survive an attack against one. That has SOME
insight, but by no means makes you the one who should call all the shots.
Weyland-Yutani is the evil corporation willing to sacrifice humans for a
bio-weapons division. And the military in the movie are a bunch of
cliche-slingin' mofos who don't seem particularly bright.

In Terminator 2, the destructive goal ends up being Skynet, and unwillingly will
doom mankind. Again, the scientists design it for a corporation with military
contracts. And although the military and corporations aren't made prominant in
the movie, once again we have the only scientist become a noble hero who just
wanted to help people before the EVIL corporation and military twisted it into
something that will kill billions. And ofcourse, this scientist bravely
sacrifices his life to save the future.

And in The Abyss, the scientists just want to make peace with the poor widdle
water people, but the CRAZY military guys just want to nuke it. It's been a
long time since I've seen The Abyss, so I can't recall any particular company,
but it wouldn't surprise me there was one.


James Cameron and his boner for scientists, his disdain for corporations, and
his looking-down on the military have been used over and over throughout the
years. Sure he's changed the names and backgrounds of the films, but the
progression is still the same. He's basically been pulling a Legend of Zelda,
remixing all the details but keeping the same damn story progression for 20
years.
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Re: Avatar (aka Dances With Smurfs)
Clearly reaching. Ripley wasn't a scientist, she was a blue-collar worker. James Cameron's incredible fetish for military hardware and protocol clearly does not indicate any serious hatred - quite the opposite.

Not to mention it just ignores Titanic.  :p

 

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Not to mention it just ignores Titanic.  :p

Curse you for mentioning that before me.
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PROTEGO

Not to mention I don't think we should complain about at least one science fiction filmmaker producing some pro-science messages.

 

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This is a very well-made film, but it didn't do anything for me. Pretty visuals, of course. I think 3D has potential.

The Colonel might be what did it. Powerful antagonists can carry films like this, but that man was a cartoon. Neither imposing, compelling, nor believable. Bleh.

I did appreciate the use of action scenes that weren't shaky-cam catastrophies, though. Those seem increasingly rare these days.

 

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Aye. They did have one nice Galactica-style handheld zoom shot.

 

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I am highly interested in watching this movie. Sadly the game was a flop. I was hoping against all hope that for once a game of a movie would be good.

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Was it too much to ask?!?!?!

You should know it was.
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Re: Avatar (aka Dances With Smurfs)
The Heavens gave us Goldeneye.  Apparently, one game was their limit. :p

 

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Re: Avatar (aka Dances With Smurfs)
The Heavens gave us Goldeneye.  Apparently, one game was their limit. :p

I still have my 64...
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Well, I don't.
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I only got one a few years ago.  As far as I'm concerned, one's life remains incomplete without Ocarina of Time.

 

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It does indeed.

The same holds true with the Gamecube and Metroid Prime.

 

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The heavens also gave us Perfect Dark. 

As for the movie, completely awesome.  I loved every bit of it.  Most particularly the Na'vi and the Pandoran wildlife, the whole concept of the Avatar, the visuals and the themes. 

Frankly, hte whole Avatar programs is in the Awesome but impractical territory.

Oh blow it out your ass.  Do you think the Moon Landings were practical?  The original goal was to beat the Russians to the moon for fear of lunar militarization.  As time has proven, we don't really want guns and bombs in outer space.  But we did it anyways, because politically the time was right and the technological benefits outweighed the impracticality.  As for the Avatar program, while the concept might not be 100% practical, the R&D potential of such a program would greatly outweigh the impracticality.  In addition, would you rather be in a human body when a Thanator tries to kill your ass or would you prefer to be in a Na'vi body?  From what we've seen, the Na'vi body is stronger and can carry more firepower (reference Jake carrying the door gun of his chopper like an assault rifle, while the other marine gets a little smg).  Regarding the possibility of wearing an exosuit, the exosuit deprives you of sensory perception and motor precision that the movie's level of science requires. 

To all who believe Quaritch was cartoony, you haven't been paying much attention to history and current events.  I found the most terrifying thing about him to be that he is a perfect representation of the nightmares within the human spirit.  He is us at our worst--intelligent, cruel, and apathetic.  Sure, say he was unbelievable, but he has existed in the past (conquistadors, European settlers, Americans, Hitler), exists in the present (Taliban, Al-Qaeda, previous US generals), and will exist in the future.  I find him imposing because he commands a force which the Omaticaya Na'vi alone cannot rival, and he is vengeful, angry and threatened enough to  consider using it.  And when he's contemplating such a use of force, he is incapable of showing compassion for anyone or anything that is not part of what he represents and desires.  He perfectly mirrors modern-day extremism, and not just that of terrorist organizations.  He utilizes preemptive strikes and "Shock and Awe".  Unbelievable?  I ask you then to start thinking about the past eight years.  What the **** has the United States been doing?

Beyond Quaritch, all of Avatar's human characters represent a part of the current human personality.  The scientists are our compassionate and rational side, focusing on preservation, understanding and cooperation.  The corporation and its lackey Selfridge are our self-centered and arrogant side, obsessed with the quarterly statement, unconcerned for others, and careless in regards to all else.  Quaritch is our destructive and militaristic side, the result of our fears and angers left too long to fester and given the intelligence and power with which to do irreparable harm.

Even with such a seemingly predictable storyline, Cameron has created an excellent dialogue between the forces currently at work within human society today.
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Re: Avatar (aka Dances With Smurfs)
"He utilizes preemptive strikes and "Shock and Awe""

and daisy cutters, ****ing Iraq!
I liked him, he was a badass.




am I the only one who thought the Na'Vi were the most biologically inconsistent animal on that planet, evolutionarily speaking.
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He should have used more napalm. :D

 

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Not to mention it just ignores Titanic.  :p

Curse you for mentioning that before me.

Whould White Star Line be considered the evil corporation?  :P
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because they put the profits of running their new ship ahead of the lives of the passengers, brittle steal, not enough life boats, all to cut costs, total evil corperation syndrome.
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To all who believe Quaritch was cartoony, you haven't been paying much attention to history and current events.  I found the most terrifying thing about him to be that he is a perfect representation of the nightmares within the human spirit.  He is us at our worst--intelligent, cruel, and apathetic.  Sure, say he was unbelievable, but he has existed in the past (conquistadors, European settlers, Americans, Hitler), exists in the present (Taliban, Al-Qaeda, previous US generals), and will exist in the future.  I find him imposing because he commands a force which the Omaticaya Na'vi alone cannot rival, and he is vengeful, angry and threatened enough to  consider using it.  And when he's contemplating such a use of force, he is incapable of showing compassion for anyone or anything that is not part of what he represents and desires.  He perfectly mirrors modern-day extremism, and not just that of terrorist organizations.  He utilizes preemptive strikes and "Shock and Awe".  Unbelievable?  I ask you then to start thinking about the past eight years.  What the **** has the United States been doing?
Even Hitler was once a struggling artist.

The Colonel simply wasn't human. He was an evil robot. It's all well and good to say he mirrors real figures, but this is fiction, and that's no excuse for a flat character. I'm not asking for a sympathetic antagonist, or even a conflicted one, but I do need to care about him. Fear, hatred, pity, shame: a good antagonist is not just an obstacle. They inspire emotion. The Colonel was so over the top that I found him impossible to take seriously. If the intent was allegory then it's simplistic to the point of irrelevance, but frankly I'm not convinced he was anything other than a cookie-cutter villain.

 

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I just thought he had a vendetta against the planet moon.
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