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"OTHER SCIENTIST: Guys, they're about to head on over and blow **** up. It's some serious shock and awe stuff.


JUGHEAD: Dude, did you just say "shock and awe"?


OTHER SCIENTIST: Uh... yeah. So?


JUGHEAD: I don't know... that just lacks subtlety. Obviously there are some Afghanistan and Iraq parallels being made here, but to just say it outright like that..."

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I didn't notice any ruins. When did we see them?
Meh, I was kind of wondering that myself, and hoping I just overlooked them and someone else would point it out. There were those big rib-looking things at one point, I figured they were just part of a giant skeleton though.
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What the hell were those things...

 

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Just saw the film, so a bit late to the conversation but.......


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It doesn't do anything to make me feel better about the fact that us European descendants completely decimated native populations and practically enslaved the entire world with our cultures.  It's a guilt no movie can or will ever undo, no matter how people may try to make us feel better. 

Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later, if not by us then by someone else. Traditional societies, including our own, are generally imperialistic. Human history has been riddled with empires and one group of people conquering another. In some parts of Africa there is still slavery, just like the olden days. Just we developed an advantage and exploited it. Others would have done the same and we would have been under their boots.

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Return of the Jedi was originally going to feature Wookiees until Lucas decided that Ewoks were more marketable to the primary target audience (children, whose critical thinking powers are extremely limited). It would have made a lot more sense if the original plan of 7-foot-tall berserk ape-man-things with guns attacking the stormtroopers had been carried out. But Lucas surmised (rightly, unfortunately) that children's movies don't have to make any sense.

Wookies would have been a lot more awesome.

I do generally agree with nightm1r's points, since a Na'Vi "revenge" attack was inevitible, might as well drastically  increase the odds of success (the colonel had too much of a "Custer's Last Stand" feel to him). However, taking out that tree was the only way to ensure total victory, since it would have broken the back of the planet's defenses.

As for my own view:
I do have mixed feelings about it. The visuals were stunning, even better than Transformers and the action was well done (Na'Vi got pwned), but frankly it felt too much like a cliche-ic anti-corporate pro-environmental propaganda piece. It reminds me a lot of Ferngully the Last Rainforest, something I was forced to watch in daycare way back in the day. As for the planet having intelligence (a literal form of the Gaia theory), while not totally impossible, it is unlikely and seemed far too much like an environmentalists wet dream.   
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ferngully lol brings back memories.

 

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It's almost exactly the same story if you think about it.
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Smells like ripoff.
 
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I said coming out of the theater that it felt like Ferngully meets Pocahontas. :p

 

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Believe me, the basic story has been used so many times that it's not a ripoff of any one particular movie (not that I disliked it for that, however).

 

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And Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, but nobody cares.

 

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And Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, but nobody cares.

Yeah but not everybody on this side of the Pacific is familiar with Kurosawa's work, though most folks do know Dances with Wolves.  Heck it's hard to count how many flicks are based off of Yojimbo, Rashomon or Seven Samurai.
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While we're posting fun links, here's another.  I kind of feel like the author of this one missed the point entirely, as I didn't give a **** about the plot so long as the pretty orgasmic visuals were on-screen.



Really. Would anyone even be remotely interested in the move if it didn't have as much advertising/hype or CGI?
If the main reason for watching a movie is visuals, then there's something very much wrong with it.

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Meh.  I found the story and characters interesting, even if they were clichéd and predictable.  Though it probably helps that I went into the theater with no expectations whatsoever.

 

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Well, my only expectation was the 3D bit, and I'm glad to say that I got a lot more than what I was expecting. :)
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And Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, but nobody cares.
star wars was the most generic story ever.

but the characters where awesome and that made it cool.
haven't seen avatar but it looks generic and a complete White GuiltTM movie.

yet has a Mighty Whitey in it.


looks meh. I will probably see it for the FX.

 

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Really. Would anyone even be remotely interested in the move if it didn't have as much advertising/hype or CGI?
If the main reason for watching a movie is visuals, then there's something very much wrong with it.
I think it had more to do with its long development and just being a James Cameron film. For me, at least.

 

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The main reason for watching the movie is that it's a great experience and an engaging piece of storytelling.

 

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Really. Would anyone even be remotely interested in the move if it didn't have as much advertising/hype or CGI?
If the main reason for watching a movie is visuals, then there's something very much wrong with it.
And why is that?  What's wrong with wanting to see a movie just for the visual spectacle, particularly when one is seeing it in 3D in a theater setting?  Film-making is primarily a visual medium, and if there's a movie out there that does something spectacular with its visuals and really shines on the big-screen, I want to see it.  As I said before, I found Avatar's visual environments to be so spectacularly immersive and stunning that I flat-out didn't care about the plot, one way or the other; I'd gladly see it a second time just to spend two more hours exploring those landscapes.  Besides, I'm not all that personally enamored with the storytelling potential of the film medium as a whole; if I wanted properly-developed stories, I'd read a good novel or watch a long-form serial television series.

(For the record, I didn't have any significant complaints about the story as a whole, though it was most definitely cliche, seen-this-before sort of material.)

 

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Saw it 3D.... made me dizzy after wearing those glasses for almost 3 hours.
I definitely enjoyed 2D more.