[High Max]

And the rate at which it wiped out ships in FS1. If it was a beam in FS2, it was like the large beams on a Ravana, as far as damage/salvo goes.

[Stormkeeper]

I think it might've been a BFRed.

[Klaustrophobia]

as i recall from my limited FRED dabbing, there exists in FS2 the original lucifer "beam".  i don't remember the damage apart from it was way bigger than the default loadout.

[High Max]

I have seen that beam too in a recently released buggy mission of a Lucifer vs a Colossus. You just sit there and watch and the only other ships are the Lucifer and the Colossus, but it is buggy, meaning that the Colossus and Lucifer stop attacking each other after a certain point, I believe, or because the Lucifer destroyed too many turrets on the Colossus.

[TrashMan]

Damage-wise, IIRC, the original Lucifer "beam" was stronger than a SRed.

I believe ti took 6-8 hits to destroy the Bastion?

[Klaustrophobia]

Damage-wise, IIRC, the original Lucifer "beam" was stronger than a SRed.

I believe ti took 6-8 hits to destroy the Bastion?

killed the Galatea in 3, IIRC. 


i think the boards just ate one of my posts. 

[TrashMan]

You mean 3x2...that's 6.

The Lucy has 2 cannon and it fires them both.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Damage-wise, IIRC, the original Lucifer "beam" was stronger than a SRed.

I believe ti took 6-8 hits to destroy the Bastion?

The damage values of the Shivan Super Lasers are probably closer to the LRed than anything else.

[el_magnifico]

The damage values of the Shivan Super Lasers are probably closer to the LRed than anything else.

Interesting. So one could extrapolate from FS2 data and speculate the FS1 Lilith was supposed to mount a cannon as heavy as the Shivan Super Lasers.
I wonder what the game would have been like in this hypothetical scenario.

EDIT: Corrected a typo.

[BengalTiger]

They still have a lot of HP, whatever that counts for.

Let's say the are shielded and that only capital ship beams can penetrate the shields. How long would it take for an Aeolus to kill one of Lucy's reactors?

The reactors have 8680 HP each, and a salvo of 2 SGreens does 5776 damage.
That means the second salvo would destroy a reactor, or some 50 seconds after the battle begins.

A BVas does some 22 385 HP per pulse, so a Hatshepsut could shoot down 3 reactors in it's first salvo, and given the opportunity to take a position where the other 2 are in it's field of fire, they too would be gone in the second salvo, or roughly half a minute after the battle begins.

The Big 'C' could probably take on a few Lucifers at once and win if it wasn't disarmed during the fight.

As soon as the Shivans saw the first GTVA beams go off, they knew Lucifers were useless against us, and Ravanas and Saths were called in.

I wonder what the game would have been like in this hypotetical scenario.

A-W-E-S-O-M-E.

[Stormkeeper]

I wonder what the game would have been like in this hypothetical scenario.

Frustrating if the Lilith mounted an SSL. Then again, it rarely appears (as far as I can remember, anyway), so it might not have made a big difference.

[High Max]

There is a better scenerio that would have soemthing like that: What If: The Great War. Too bad ST Reborn didn't give the Shivans beams and base it off of What If. What If would make better canon.

Edit: To fix typo.

[el_magnifico]

There is a better scenerio that would have soemthing like that: What If: The Great War. Too bad ST Reborn didn't give the Shivans beams and base it off of What If. What If would make better canon.

Yes, I loved that campaign. Too bad "Doomsday" refused to load, but i played the rest and it was lots of fun.

Then again, it rarely appears (as far as I can remember, anyway), so it might not have made a big difference.

I just modified "Running the Gauntlet" to give the Zenith a SSL and modified arrival cue so that it would actually appear as planned. It made a lot of difference (Rosetta and both Omega transports destroyed, thus earth is doomed).

Uh, never mind. It's not canon anyway, and I guess I'm derailing this topic.

[jr2]

I wonder what the game would have been like in this hypothetical scenario.

Frustrating if the Lilith mounted an SSL. Then again, it rarely appears (as far as I can remember, anyway), so it might not have made a big difference.

No shields on the Lilith.

[Scotty]

SSL = shivan super laser.  If an SSL were on Liliths in FS1, they would suddenly become destroyer level priorites for destruction.

[Stormkeeper]

Or they's just spam bomber wings on them.

[Droid803]

Not like the really ever sent cruisers/destroyers against Liliths in FS1 to my knowledge.

[Lucika]

Not like the really ever sent cruisers/destroyers against Liliths in FS1 to my knowledge.

One for one, the Lilith can easily destroy any of our cruisers.

The usual "white elephant" stuff.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I remember looking at the damage values of the LRed and SSL on FSWiki and learning that the LRed does more damage than the SSL, albeit with a much shorter effective range.
 

* Androgeos Exeunt checks http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/LRed#Statistics and http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Shivan_Super_Laser#Statistics.

...yup.

[Marcov]

Given the probable fact that beams are the only weapons that can neutralize shields in the FreeSpace universe, the Sathanas was probably shielded (even though it was not stated in the tech room). The Lucifer actually did not have shields in the Engine, rather the "invulnerable" tag was checked.

With the invention of high-powered beams, ANY ship, shielded or shieldless, was mashed potato.