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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
You can independently control FX vs Music vs Voice volume, is that not quite cutting it?
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
You can independently control FX vs Music vs Voice volume, is that not quite cutting it?

Effect volume becomes cripplingly loud in a way it didn't under the old sound code or retail. Multiple ships warping in nearby simultaneously sounds...bad.

 

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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Effect volume becomes cripplingly loud in a way it didn't under the old sound code or retail. Multiple ships warping in nearby simultaneously sounds...bad.

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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Effect volume becomes cripplingly loud in a way it didn't under the old sound code or retail. Multiple ships warping in nearby simultaneously sounds...bad.
Does it still happen if you use the -no_3d_sound cmdline option?  Can you, or anyone else, make a quick test mission which demonstrates this problem so that I can easily replicate it for testing purposes?

I am assuming that this is related to the 3D sound code, where the volume is either attenuated too high for some reason or there is a positioning issue between listener and source.  Attenuation should be capped, so I find it hard to believe that would actually be a problem.  Still there could be something in there that is causing an issue, or there is some problem with doppler being disabled which is creating an issue.  If I can easily test for and reproduce it then I should be able to come up with some sort of solution though.

 

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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
The -no_3d_sound cmdline has no effect. Unfortunately I can't Fred a mission worth a damn.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Found it.  The problem is that engineloop001.ogg is listed twice in sounds.tbl: the first time as 2D, the second time as 3D.  The code won't load the same file twice, so it just returns the entry for the 2D version of the sound when attempting to load/play the 3D one.  Checking for such a case and loading a duplicate of the sound if necessary should fix it.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
I'm using a pair of 5.1 headphones and when I maneuver around a beam the sound jumps from one side to the other ignoring the center channel. The beams windup and winddown for instance goes left, center, right, but the beam itself jumps from left to right. Beams are the only thing I've noticed this behavior with since it's such a drawn out effect.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
i dunno if anybody else got this issue, but after a mission, the second one loses music almost completely... closing fso and starting it up again fixes it.


EDIT: Solved by downloading and installing openAL soft and selecting it in the launcher, still checking to see if anything else crops up.

Some other stuff has cropped up, sometimes, when the battle gets intense and i get a bit of a hit on the FPS, all of the sounds start stuttering and it doesn't stop for a while, sometimes alt-tabbing or doing other stuff that silences the music solves it.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2010, 12:47:14 pm by Mura »
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
I'm using a pair of 5.1 headphones and when I maneuver around a beam the sound jumps from one side to the other ignoring the center channel. The beams windup and winddown for instance goes left, center, right, but the beam itself jumps from left to right. Beams are the only thing I've noticed this behavior with since it's such a drawn out effect.
Yeah I get this same thing happening. Beams seem to only play on the right or left channel of my stereo sound. It snaps back and forth between them suddenly as you rotate your ship to change where the sound should come from. The other beam sounds are fine.

Definitely got OpenAL 1.1 and the log indicates it's using the 'Generic software on Realtek HD Audio Output'. (Yeah, just crappy onboard sound here :( )
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Since we're bumping anyways...

+1 for beam sound positioning problems as of the latest Ant7. (Popping and crackling still happens, too, almost as if the engine is running a different sample rate than the sound file)

 

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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Using Ant7, lots of popping and crackling here too
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
If you don't have a nice sound card, try turning off 3d sound.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
If you don't have a nice sound card, try turning off 3d sound.
EFX? Cause that isn't on for me
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Perhaps try the OpenAL Soft DLL.  Instead of putting the soft_oal.dll in the System folder like the readme says, put it in your Freespace2 folder.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Well it all worked fine and dandy with OpenAL soft before!
But then *something* changed from nightly r6626 to r6627. r6626 works A-okay. r6627 completely borks up my sound. Once my framerate drops in the 30-40 range, the sound and music start cracking up, stuttering and popping.
ugh  :sigh:

Edit: updated my Realtek drivers to 5.10.0.6257
Did nothing for me.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
I guess I forgot you were already on OpenAL Soft from before.  At least we know the exact commit that changed it.  Too bad that commit is the go_faster code.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
I've decided to post a couple of sound-related bugs here, since they are likely related to this new sound code.  They may have been reported already, but I don't have the patience to read through 12 pages of posts to find it, and if there is a simple solution, then perhaps someone can bring it to my attention.

The first involves lightning.  It used to be a background rumble, now it is a continuous clattering, which will even prevent some audio from playing during the "thunder" sound, such as in-game voices and sound effects.  Afterward, it will also severely dampen some of the interface sounds, such as the little bleeps you get when you pass the pointer over a button, or select it.  I've tried all three of the audio playback selections to me, and to my knowledge, I've already installed OAL.

The second involves the loss of mission briefing audio.  This appears to occur after one or two missions worth of continuous gaming.  Suddenly the audio for a mission stage and all following ones will not play.  It can happen with command briefings or mission briefings.  I think that the amount of missions required for this bug to manifest itself depends on the total number of stages in the missions leading to that point.  I haven't done enough testing at this point to know if any of the other audio settings have any effect on it.  The only way to clear it is to shut down FS2 and restart it.

As for which builds generate this problem, it's difficult to say.  I've only resumed playing FS2 for a short while now, having been away from playing for about three years.  I haven't played with any build less recent than the Ant6 series, but I've played with many knightly builds since and encountered the same problems with all builds.  I will try to revert to the 3.6.12 release build and see if that makes any difference.

I'll keep you updated but hopefully someone will present me with the solution.

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AMD Athlon XP 2600+
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Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 PCI
Windows XP SP2

Be advised, I haven't done any driver updates in some time, as I have had limited success with ATI's own video drivers and have been using the Omegas which are no longer kept up to date.

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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
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I tested it out on the release INF-SSE 3.6.12, and while the thunder still sounds different than I remember, (which is probably due to an MVP improvement), it no longer clatters around and drowns out or overrides other sounds or effects.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Well, as you have sound issues, I'd recommend upgrading your sound card drivers.  Creative has done a lot to improve OpenAL support, although it may not be as noticeable on XP.  Still, if there are newer drivers, I'd try them out.  There are drivers for the Audigy 2 as new as April of this year.
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Re: "Testing, Testing, One, Two ..." (new sound code)
Updating of the sound drivers seems to have solved both issues... as far as I can tell.  Thanks.
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