[Anti]

I lose turning circle whenever I lift the mouse off the table.
Don't you?

[Herra Tohtori]

I lose turning circle whenever I lift the mouse off the table.
Don't you?

Yes, but I can turn eaven the most non-maneuverable bombers to point in any direction without lifting the mouse.

It's not gonna cut it for dogfighting, but you can use keyboard and mouse at the same time as well...

[QuantumDelta]

Keyboard for turning, mouse for accuracy, honestly.
Pros and Cons

[Anti]

Thanks all.
OK, so I put pitch on a couple of keys, and that does the job in a dogfight.

Cheers.

[ChronoReverse]

I just map a couple of rotation keys to my mouse as well in order to do continuous turning when needed.

[S-99]

Mouse works just fine in FS2 as well... unless you're on Mac.

You just need to be frugal about mouse movement. Moving the mouse faster than the ship can turn will not make the ship turn faster, it will just make you waste your table room faster resulting in more lifting of the mouse.

Couldn't have been said better
The relation between moving the mouse faster to turn your fighter faster and doesn't and moving the joystick faster to make your fighter turn faster and doesn't is not realized by all. Quite simply, a different interface can and will make people handle things in the game differently.
Being frugal with the mouse is the key, after that there's adjusting sensitivity for it just like the joystick.
Mouse and keyboard for dogfighting works just fine.

[Spoon]

Mouse support is superior in wing commander 3
And that game is a few years older than Freespace.
Freespace retail mouse support is just... well, ****ty.

[JGZinv]

The relation between moving the mouse faster to turn your fighter faster and doesn't and moving the joystick faster to make your fighter turn faster and doesn't is not realized by all. Quite simply, a different interface can and will make people handle things in the game differently.
Being frugal with the mouse is the key, after that there's adjusting sensitivity for it just like the joystick.
Mouse and keyboard for dogfighting works just fine.

Sorry but I have to disagree.

Yes there is a maximum threshold in which the ship shouldn't turn faster than what is defined in the tables.
But some mods have a more arcade like feel going for them, and shouldn't feel like you're driving a U-haul truck instead
of a space superiority fighter, Arwing, or whatever.

Rolling a mouse ball or "swiping" in the case of traditional mouse users, 3/4th of the way across a desk that's 5 ft long, to move
all of 45 degrees in a turn... something doesn't add up.

[Anti]

In my experience is that there is no way I can keep in a tight turn using a mouse, yet with a key assigned or with a joystick it is very easy to track enemy fighters in a tight turn; I can get them in the reticle almost immediately. It is *very* much easier.

[S-99]

Sorry but I have to disagree.

Yes there is a maximum threshold in which the ship shouldn't turn faster than what is defined in the tables.
But some mods have a more arcade like feel going for them, and shouldn't feel like you're driving a U-haul truck instead
of a space superiority fighter, Arwing, or whatever.

Rolling a mouse ball or "swiping" in the case of traditional mouse users, 3/4th of the way across a desk that's 5 ft long, to move
all of 45 degrees in a turn... something doesn't add up.

That's all good, in other words you partially agree. Anyway, this thread does link to a script that supposedly makes the mouse handle like a joystick, and i am apt for checking that out. While i like using the mouse for playing the game and don't mind picking it up and moving it all of time, that script does sound like something that would make playing the game easier with the mouse. I'm guessing that the mouse script thingie just keeps your ship turning in a certain direction when you move the mouse in one direction without needing to constantly pick up and move the mouse to maintain? I'm asking the question because my fs2 install is in a different town right now.

In my experience is that there is no way I can keep in a tight turn using a mouse

So true. But, the mouse is too easy to play the game with. It's one reason i got drawn to it despite it's fall back when i didn't have a gamepad for a couple of years. This lead to my serious decline in skill with a joystick when playing the game.

[Anti]

> I'm guessing that the mouse script thingie just keeps your ship turning in a certain direction
> when you move the mouse in one direction without needing to constantly pick up and move the mouse to maintain?

Yes, but I could only get it to work with a special build:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/vekkup/FS2/script_mouse.7z
from the thread:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=44634.msg1212153#msg1212153

Later in that thread Wanderer says he released a script that works with the main trunk from Aug 2009,
but I couldn't get it to work.

[JGZinv]

S-99 - based on the description of the script...  it functions very similarly
to Tachyon's alternate control mode for the mouse. Center wheel click usually
turned it on.

Here's it on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-pyjcjDHA&feature=related

It's a mouse, but the direction you swing the mouse it keeps going.


NOTE this is not "the script" - this is tachyon's alt mouse mode.

[Tarvis]

Have you turned up the mouse sensitivity in-game?

It helps tremendously, despite not actually making the ship turn any faster. What it does is it makes it ramp up to it's full turning speed faster.

[JGZinv]

If you're asking me, my sensitivity is all the way up.
Perhaps I'll make a video to compare with here in the future, so I can illustrate.
I've got a staff meeting tonight so probably not going to be today though.

[QuantumDelta]

The problem I have with that is it will drastically unbalance multi, mouse will end up with equal-to-best-turning, and best accuracy.

While technically speaking that was possible with the joystick, it took a hell of a lot of skill / microing to pull it off, and a lot of practise with max sense zero deadzone.
Freelanceresque (tachyon's alt mouse mode) shouldn't be allowed by default.
And if it's not implemented properly, it'll be worse than the current mouse model.
If you don't wanna use a joystick and don't like the fact that the mouses clear and significant advantage is it's accuracy then use the bleeding keyboard.
It's not hard.


Edit - to clarify, using the edited existing script that I think......Nuke? created, is fine, because that will set alarm bells off when used in multi.
Incorporating it into 'vanilla' shouldn't be in the remit of SCP, imnsho.
I may be overstepping here, but this feels the same as if I were asking there to be a keyboard equivalent of 'mouse smoothing' added to the game.
If there were I /probably/ wouldn't use it (because I'm so used to pro-actively counter-adjusting before my shot is lined up anyway and it would just put me off) but technically speaking it could make the keyboard insanely easy to use at a high level.

The three mediums for controls are all divided equally (well, mostly, joystick enjoys a mild advantage at the very pinnacle of skill from SW experience but it is very small and there isn't much you can do about it in terms of code either).

[Wanderer]

I'll take a look at the script later today.. Any suggestions on how it works are welcome

EDIT: Mouse script in wiki updated, make sure to read where the cfg file should go.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

If you're using a mouse, don't play FreeSpace 2 on a Mac.

[Spoon]

Mouse script wouldn't work for me before, now it does
But it feels like some kind of retarded joystick with it so i'll just stick with the normal mouse/keyboard control I guess

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Retarded joystick in what sense? It's too slippery?

[Spoon]

Retarded joystick in what sense? It's too slippery?

As in you don't point and click but you have to drag your crosshair onto the target