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Offline Turambar

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
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Thank **** you saw Infested Hanson. Guess what happens on the other path? She cures the Zerg virus. Yeah, she miraculously cures it when all the might of the Protoss couldn't and didn't. **** that.
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Where does it say that she actually cured it?  She appeared to just embark on an impossible task with the determination of a shounen anime main character, but not actually succeed (yet).

guess whose ass is getting purified with cleansing fire next time through...
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
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Thank **** you saw Infested Hanson. Guess what happens on the other path? She cures the Zerg virus. Yeah, she miraculously cures it when all the might of the Protoss couldn't and didn't. **** that.
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Where does it say that she actually cured it?  She appeared to just embark on an impossible task with the determination of a shounen anime main character, but not actually succeed (yet).

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You might be right. I'm going off of Starcraft Wiki here, not my own experience.

 

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
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Thank **** you saw Infested Hanson. Guess what happens on the other path? She cures the Zerg virus. Yeah, she miraculously cures it when all the might of the Protoss couldn't and didn't. **** that.
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Where does it say that she actually cured it?  She appeared to just embark on an impossible task with the determination of a shounen anime main character, but not actually succeed (yet).

Yeah, Battuta, she didn't succeed (yet), she was just embarking on a mission to attempt to, whilst you had driven off the other involved party, leaving them to allow you to attempt to succeed.

^ How to answer a question without actually mentioning any of the spoilers.
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I have a question: why did Mengsk betray Kerrigan?
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Offline General Battuta

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I have a question: why did Mengsk betray Kerrigan?

I believe it's implied (though perhaps never explicitly stated) that she was left behind for the Zerg in order to remove her from the picture. Mengsk didn't want a driven telepathic killer with an anti-tyrannical agenda standing in the way of his Dominion.

But I don't remember that well.

 

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I always thought it was because he didn't want to waste the manpower pulling her out of a swarming cluster**** waiting (and going) to happen.

 

Offline General Battuta

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I prefer the explanation that makes Mengsk even more of a magnificent bastard.

Mengsk, you magnificent bastard!

  

Offline mxlm

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I prefer the explanation in the game.

Wait, there isn't one. :p

You know what the official explanation is? Kerrigan killed his family way back when.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2010, 06:12:58 pm by mxlm »
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
You know what the official explanation is? Kerrigan killed his family way back when.

That's also mixed with the one Batts touched on.
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Though I was annoyed by the horrible...wait I don't know if you've gotten this far, but the scene at the Mobius rendezvous, which made a) no sense and b) seriously, Marine combat armor sucks THAT much?

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What? The flashbang? I can sort of buy that actually since it's a direct-view thing and therefore hard to screen. Tychus ramming that guy into a wall being temporarily incapacitating is actually a harder sell for me.
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Mengsk, you magnificent bastard!

I think true magnificent bastardry would have been acheived if he'd let Raynor go after her.  He dies, she dies (as far as he knows), and he has no more barriers at all.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Yeah that's what I'm talking about, the ramming. Oh and the ugly new gauss rifles (which now have cartridges, lolwut) penetrating the whole suit in a couple shots...well okay I mean I guess that works, as it's super close range and pretty much a direct hit, but it's just sort of unimpressive. I wanted more sparking and whing whang ping pyoooong.

On the Mengsk discussion: see, this is one of my problems with Starcraft 2. In the first ten missions of Starcraft 1 we got all these memorable characters (Raynor, Duke, Kerrigan, Mengsk) established and defined, and then we had at least two fairly challenging and memorable events (the use of Psi Emitters first on Antiga Prime and then Tarsonis, and then Mengsk's decisions at Tarsonis.) What is there in all 30-odd missions of Starcraft 2 that's anywhere near as significant, either in terms of characters or plot events?
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In the first ten missions we fiddle with some artifacts, steal some minerals and gas for a Rastafarian, banter with an old buddy, help a doctor lady evacuate her planet...hell even if you go to all thirty missions the only really significant event or decision is the invasion of Char, which is a three-mission arc that involves the defeat of the entire Zerg swarm by a force probably far less powerful than the united attack that failed to defeat a tiny fraction of a more primitive and unprepared swarm on a Char orbital platform years earlier. Even the Zerg invasion that killed billions is barely witnessed and peters out once the MacGuffins are...moved to a single battlecruiser belonging to an unprepared rebel group. Certainly that would stymie the mighty Kerrigan.
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Offline mxlm

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I think true magnificent bastardry would have been acheived if he'd let Raynor go after her.  

The problem with him being a magnificent bastard is, um, if you're going to abandon/betray your people? Your response to your remaining people when they question you can't be, "Shut up, we're doing it, it's done." That's not magnificent bastardry, that's ****ing stupid.

Not that I disagree that SC1 is superior to SC2 in terms of writing. It's just not that/i] good.
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How are they going to know that his suit is sending signals? If he used the ship, that could be tracked, but from his suit? Unlikely unless someone was looking for the signals.[/spoiler]

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You'd be surprised how easily it is to detect signals. Technology is NOISY.
If you're a rebel, secrecy is even more paramount. And if you're telling me a battlecruiser sensors couldn't detect an unauthorised transmission from within itself...
It's basicly like that new cylon bull****.
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I agree about the marine armor. Look at the size of that thing? And apparently, it's protection factor is ZERO. Friggin bone shards punch right trough it. A PISTOL shot goes right trough......
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Offline General Battuta

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The Hydralisk 'bone shards' make perfect sense as those are as hard as neosteel (grown from alloyed zerg polymers and minerals) and fired by vespene ignition, so essentially guns.

 

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A PISTOL shot goes right trough......
The faceplate was open.
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Offline Fury

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
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Thank **** you saw Infested Hanson. Guess what happens on the other path? She cures the Zerg virus. Yeah, she miraculously cures it when all the might of the Protoss couldn't and didn't. **** that.

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Have you ever seen a Protoss getting infested? That's right, Protoss cannot become infested. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infested_protoss

So why exactly the Protoss would have any interest in studying human biology to counter Terran infestation? They're for all intents and purposes at war with each other. So the Protoss do the sensible thing, purge infested humans with extreme prejudice. Countering infestation is completely up to the Terrans. Even if there happens to be sympathetic individual among the Protoss willing to lend a hand, do you see Terrans actually taking up that offer? I don't think so, there's too much mistrust.

 

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
The Hydralisk 'bone shards' make perfect sense as those are as hard as neosteel (grown from alloyed zerg polymers and minerals) and fired by vespene ignition, so essentially guns.

Which is what I call BS, but to each his own....
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
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Thank **** you saw Infested Hanson. Guess what happens on the other path? She cures the Zerg virus. Yeah, she miraculously cures it when all the might of the Protoss couldn't and didn't. **** that.

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Have you ever seen a Protoss getting infested? That's right, Protoss cannot become infested. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infested_protoss

So why exactly the Protoss would have any interest in studying human biology to counter Terran infestation? They're for all intents and purposes at war with each other. So the Protoss do the sensible thing, purge infested humans with extreme prejudice. Countering infestation is completely up to the Terrans. Even if there happens to be sympathetic individual among the Protoss willing to lend a hand, do you see Terrans actually taking up that offer? I don't think so, there's too much mistrust.

That's actually a pretty good point and I hadn't thought of it.

 
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It is really hard to read this thread without playing the game. Do I read the spoilers or not? What if it's something I don't care about, but then what if it is??
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I think Batt and a lot of others are buying into the hype a little too much and were expecting Peter Jackson or Steven Spielberg, and instead they got Roger Corman with a lot of Michael Bay thrown in and they wanna ***** about it.  It's not bad, just leave your preconceptions at the door and enjoy it for what it is, not for what you think it should be.

And I'll say it again, within the context of the universe that SC2 takes place in, it's acceptable for there to be "magic" technology.  "Any technology sufficiently advanced would appear as magic." and all that.  The McGuffins in SC2 work because they do, the Terrans are advanced enough that they recognize it as a technological marvel, but it might as well be magic for all the understanding they have of it.  The Protoss are a million years ahead of the Terrans and the Xel'Naga are probably a billion years beyond them, and you expect the Terrans who are 1.001 billion years behind a piece of tech to be able to explain it away?  They're doing REAL good to even know how to turn the thing on.
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