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Offline Kosh

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John Stewart hurts democracy?
on: February 23, 2010, 05:38:19 am
Wow


Why the hell are we comparing a comedy show to news shows?
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Offline iamzack

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 07:04:58 am
Because the comedy show is better.
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Offline Blue Lion

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 07:21:19 am
Quote from: Kosh on February 23, 2010, 05:38:19 am
Wow


Why the hell are we comparing a comedy show to news shows?

Because news shows stopped being news shows and started being entertainment shows. It's a matter of ratings, not truth or journalism.
 

Offline Nuclear1

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 08:09:34 am
It's funny, since I think I get more facts watching The Daily Show than I do watching most other news outlets.  I mean, yeah, it's entertainment, but Stewart doesn't have producers with agendas greater than "entertain".
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Offline iamzack

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 08:23:01 am
I love the Daily Show because they don't have to work to burn people. Just show clips of that person back to back. XD
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 08:31:29 am
Quote from: Blue Lion on February 23, 2010, 07:21:19 am
Because news shows stopped being news shows and started being entertainment shows. It's a matter of ratings, not truth or journalism.

Some people say that real news is dead, or something along those lines. Would you agree with them?
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Offline iamzack

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Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 08:59:34 am
Fox is the most trusted news source in America. So when you look at our political debates, town hall meetings, protesters... It makes sense, and you just feel sorry for those people.
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Offline Sushi

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 09:47:53 am
Is Stewart hurting democracy?

No more than Beck, Olbermann, Huffington, Limbaugh, O'Reilly...

...or for that matter, any less-controversial media figure.


Free press doesn't hurt democracy. Voter laziness and apathy, on the other hand, does, and a lot of what's wrong with news media is a reflection of that (not the cause). If there were a bigger market for solid, investigative, independent journalism, we'd see a lot more of it.
 

Offline IronBeer

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 10:41:49 am
Quote from: Sushi on February 23, 2010, 09:47:53 am
Is Stewart hurting democracy?

No more than Beck, Olbermann, Huffington, Limbaugh, O'Reilly...

...or for that matter, any less-controversial media figure.


Free press doesn't hurt democracy. Voter laziness and apathy, on the other hand, does, and a lot of what's wrong with news media is a reflection of that (not the cause). If there were a bigger market for solid, investigative, independent journalism, we'd see a lot more of it.

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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 03:49:47 pm
Quote from: iamzack on February 23, 2010, 08:59:34 am
Fox is the most trusted news source in America. So when you look at our political debates, town hall meetings, protesters... It makes sense, and you just feel sorry for those people.

Fox ended up being that way though because they gave light to the birth certificate, death panel, and tea party movements.  They gave those jackasses a voice with which to ruin the national debate--where we should be talking about health care's effect on the deficit, we're having to spend time debunking communism accusations. 

Also, if Fox wants to be a legitimate news organization, then maybe they can behave like one...CNN doesn't organize political rallies.  Fox did. Several times. 
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Offline mxlm

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 05:02:37 pm
Quote from: iamzack on February 23, 2010, 08:59:34 am
Fox is the most trusted news source in America.

Kind of. Only kind of.

The way it works is, the lefties and moderates rate everything, well, moderately, and Fox a little (to a lot) lower. The righties rate Fox really highly, and give the others extremely bad ratings, thus skewing the results. The real take away message is that the right wing doesn't live in the same world we do.
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Offline iamzack

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Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 06:09:15 pm
I don't know. Maybe that affects it somewhat. But a very large number of people tune into Fox and nothing else.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 07:08:47 pm
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Also, if Fox wants to be a legitimate news organization, then maybe they can behave like one...


They dont want to be and they dont care to be, because they have hordes of brainwashed followers who believe they are legit and that's all that matters.
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Offline Blue Lion

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 07:12:54 pm
Fox News averages (I'm sure it's changed since then) around 2.5-3 million viewers.

That's enough to be top dog in cable news channels, but in terms of the entire country? It's not overly impressive.

That's what makes this whole Jon Stewart thing hilarious, he just can't reach a big enough audience to ruin the country.

And to answer the question from AE, no I don't think real news is dead. Technology has given ordinary people access to massive amounts of news. You can read news about anything, sports from anywhere in the world, businesses from anywhere, tech news. You can read local news, regional news, national news, international news, you can read someone other areas local news.

Couple that with a medium (TV and internet) that give both news and entertainment though the same process and it's very easy to see how the blur happens.

So you have more news than you ever had before, but you also have a ton of crap that looks like news and other that just isn't news at all. This whole mishmash makes it very easy for people who either don't know or don't care to be swayed by "not news".

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Offline iamzack

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Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 07:14:32 pm
I wish Jon Stewart had enough viewers to "ruin" the country. *sigh*
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Offline Blue Lion

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Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 07:21:57 pm
I don't. He's a comedian.

I wish people who actually gave a damn about news and politics and didn't get washed up in partisan "news". I wish people demanded actual news and not sound byte opinion passed off as news.
 

Offline mxlm

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Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 07:54:57 pm
Quote from: iamzack on February 23, 2010, 06:09:15 pm
I don't know. Maybe that affects it somewhat. But a very large number of people tune into Fox and nothing else.

Right, that's what I was getting it. That set of people skews the results, as explained here

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Moderates and liberals all rate most of the news agencies roughly the same—in the mid-range. Conservatives, however, OVERWHELMINGLY rate all news agencies except Fox at damn near 0, and Fox closer to a 100 (on an out-of-my-ass scale of trustworthiness). In fact, the second-most trusted news agency for conservatives, CNN, is rated at 22%, which is 4% less than liberals rate Fox News. Ironically, moderates agree with liberals that Fox is their least trusted name in news, but because the range among conservative responses is so staggering, it skews the polls. So, when it says that 49% of people trust Fox and 39% do not, what it really means is conservatives really trust Fox News and absolutely despise everything else, while moderates and liberals trust Fox the least but tend to have a more, well, moderate view of everybody else.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 08:39:06 pm
With people like Glenn Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity declaring all liberals and progressives the worst thing since the Soviet Union, it's not surprising.

Though the same thing could be said of Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann for the left...but it's MSNBC. Who watches that anyway? :p
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Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
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Offline Rick James

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Re: John Stewart hurts democracy?
Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 08:46:39 pm
To be fair, any/all of the above OCCASIONALLY* make good points.

* Like, once every blue ****ing moon.

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Offline Nuclear1

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Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 08:50:57 pm
Well, I can't stand wading through Hannity/O'Reilly/Beck's crap long enough to hear any good points, but KO frequently has some good points...it's just covered by a giant ego sometimes.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!
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