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Offline NGTM-1R

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You are mistaking epic with good.
As I said before I think STL is a Good campaign but not Epic. (Or did everyone forget what the word Epic really means? )

Perhaps you have.

After all STL, though small-scale missions, does in essence chronicle how your wing singlehandedly turns the tide of the campaign in Antares and is almost completely responsible for the destruction of the Hammer of Light as a meaningful fighting force.

Epic was, after all, originally used to describe things exactly like these. It's Homer without the 10k extras running around killing and dying and doing absolutely nothing of consequence, Gilgamesh, or any of a number of Viking tales.

Yeah but that was one of the final missions. Most STL missions are pretty small scale.

Again, the original epic, Gilgamesh, is about two guys doing awesome stuff and barely have anything else. The Viking works typically are about one guy doing awesome stuff, and have perhaps 100 extras "on the page" at most. STL easily surpasses that.

Small scale is a frame of reference problem. Lest we forget, even the smallest-scale campaigns in FS1 are conflicts on a scale unmatched. Hundreds of kilotons of explosive power can be hurled back and forth in mere seconds. Weapons that would destroy cities and ruin biospheres are regularly employed. A single Ursa or Amun loaded out with Tsunamis could have ended any war in humanity's history in hours.

And due to it being in the FS1 area there are no beams and corvettes the whole campaign does not feel as grand and epic as say the retail FS2 campaign.

Again, this is like saying Giglamesh or The Illiad isn't epic because it lacks machineguns.

(Though machineguns tend to actually damage the epic feel; that sort of impersonal bringer of death typically does except on a vast scale or when described in extreme detail.)
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Offline TopAce

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I believe collocations such as "epic scale" and "epic proportions" have been used way too much recently. The original, "true" meaning that NGTM-1R talks about has become the less used one. Language is such.
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Offline Nuclear1

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IN THE YEAR 3000.....!
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
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I believe collocations such as "epic scale" and "epic proportions" have been used way too much recently. The original, "true" meaning that NGTM-1R talks about has become the less used one. Language is such.

Indeed. To forestall any more misunderstanding, the true definition of "epic", according to dictionary.com, is:

ep·ic   /ˈɛpɪk/  Spelled[ep-ik]  
–adjective Also, ep·i·cal.
1.noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style: Homer's Iliad is an epic poem.
2.resembling or suggesting such poetry: an epic novel on the founding of the country.
3.heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.
4.of unusually great size or extent: a crime wave of epic proportions.

The slang definition getting tossed around recently equates more to "really cool".
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Offline Spoon

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3.heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.
4.of unusually great size or extent: a crime wave of epic proportions.
Which is usually what I think of when I see the word.
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It's kinda sad that I have to keep giving disclaimers for people that can't read but, again I stress that I think STL is a Good campaign But it did not give me a feeling of 'Epicness'. Its impossible to offer criticism of any kind to Derelict or STL without 20 people jumping into its defense.  :doubt:
The reason you feel like you're getting "jumped on" for expressing criticisms like those is because the community as a whole has played them many times over, held them up against the many releases that have come since, and collectively declared that they are Very Good Campaigns.  It isn't just rampant fanboyism, but instead a great deal of measured comparison.  As in all things, you're free to hold and express your own opinions contrary to the majority, but keep in mind that you'll probably be taken to task for them and asked to provide some good justifications.  It's the equivalent of going up to a big movie buff and stating that Casablanca "wasn't that great." :p

 

Offline Thaeris

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...JAD was also epic for reasons which do not need to be explained...

   ...I just thought getting back to some on-subject material would be nice.  :D
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Offline Spoon

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It's kinda sad that I have to keep giving disclaimers for people that can't read but, again I stress that I think STL is a Good campaign But it did not give me a feeling of 'Epicness'. Its impossible to offer criticism of any kind to Derelict or STL without 20 people jumping into its defense.  :doubt:
The reason you feel like you're getting "jumped on" for expressing criticisms like those is because the community as a whole has played them many times over, held them up against the many releases that have come since, and collectively declared that they are Very Good Campaigns.  It isn't just rampant fanboyism, but instead a great deal of measured comparison.  As in all things, you're free to hold and express your own opinions contrary to the majority, but keep in mind that you'll probably be taken to task for them and asked to provide some good justifications.  It's the equivalent of going up to a big movie buff and stating that Casablanca "wasn't that great." :p
The way its done here just screams rampant fanboyism to me though. Because its just being denied that a certain campaign has flaws and is being hallowed as SUPERDUPERGREATANDEPIC. Almost to a point where I stop taking your opinions serious.  :p
Each campaign has its flaws or aspects that certain people won't like and it would be great if those things can be discussed in a civilized manner without a gang of fanboyism infected bouncer types who pounce on the person expressing an opinion that is not 100% in line with their own.
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline General Battuta

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No campaign is for everybody.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Agreed with Spoon.

Also agree with Mongoose on a couple points.

Derelict is essentially the granddaddy of all FS2 campaigns.  It's simply because the same model has been copied and redone 1048273849 times that people don't appreciate it anymore.  I know there are other reasons why people don't like Derelict, but just that seems to be the trend in entertainment anyway.

It's the same reason I usually don't play new campaigns.  With a few exceptions (Ransom, BR, and Darius's projects) there's nothing truly new coming out.  I'll admit Rogue Intentions wasn't too much different...it was just another poopchunk in this river of Derelict ripoff crap. 
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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With a few exceptions (Ransom, BR, and Darius's projects) there's nothing truly new coming out.  I'll admit Rogue Intentions wasn't too much different...it was just another poopchunk in this river of Derelict ripoff crap. 

Of course, you can make a sound argument along these very same lines that BP is simply a much better Inferno R1, and everyone knows InfR1 is really just a grand retelling of SGWP2, so only SGWP2 was original and good, right?

Right? :P

You can't go around judging stories that way, nobody's told one that's completely original in a long long time. It's got to be about execution in the end.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Yeah, true.  It really is all about execution though..BP, Sync, Transcend, and Homesick proved that.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

Offline Snail

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What about Windmills?


I find that the most emotionally effective campaign I've played, simply for the reason that it made me realize how hard a time that black guy shouting into the mic is having.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Yeah, Windmills was profoundly moving.

 
Ya know what if it hasn't been said it sounds like you could do with playing some multiplayer to be honest.
Some of the coops are pretty epic, and if you get bored of vs AI intense action you can always find some more people to blow up, anything 2v2 and over is about as intensive as your average 'epic' single player mission.
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I play this one 2 days since tuesday , this morning i start to the thinking "wtf how long this campaign is..  Nataas escape have new juggernaut and again deafeated... 3 times
This campaign is little bit cheasy but good one and epic in some points.
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Hehe yeah. Allied Forces is a remake of the two Jake Wars campaigns. It's kind of goofy, but still fun. :D
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Offline Nuclear1

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Jake Wars was....eh.

Allied Worlds was an unbelievably great remake though.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

  

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Urgh, is the version of Allied Worlds I have gimped or something? It only has like five missions.  :nervous:
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