[Blue Lion]

SUGGESTION THAT NUCLEAR1 BE MONKEYED FOR A DAY FOR REVIVING THIS DAMN MEME AGAIN

[Mongoose]

IRRITATION THAT BLUE LION BEAT ME TO THE LINK.

[NGTM-1R]

MEMETIC CONTAGION DETECTED, VENTING SECTION TO SPACE

[Kosh]

He doesn't needs to be a brainwashed machine to be a rightist.
I think he sincerely believes what he thinks is the best for him and his country. He may be right or wrong, just like anyone else (and I have to admit he's a bit funny sometimes, like that depressive post in the last page), but the man defends his beliefs, and that is something to respect on him. Don't you think so?
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I don't think so, try watching some of the stuff coming out of Fox (I think you can stream it online), and then compare it to what liberator says. In many cases it isn't just that he's wrong, its that he has his own little fantasy world as the good general pointed out.

You may whine and complain about how morals are out of date and religion is the embodiment of stupidity.  But when religion and god played a larger role in peoples lives, you didn't have nearly the percentage of the population reproducing willy nilly.

Actually we did. Depending on how far back we want to look at, 100 years ago you'd be married when you were 20, by the time you were 30 you'd have at least 5 children. I'd say that's reproducing "willy nilly". Yeah, like goat herders thousands of years ago when the life expectancy was 30 know how to live.

[watsisname]

Perhaps it's worthy of mentioning that hundreds/thousands of years ago, excessive procreation was mostly beneficial, while in the current era it is mostly not.

YAAAY industrialization!

[Liberator]

Each couple needs to have at least 2 kids to replace themselves, then extras for the couples that don't have any or only one to maintain they're core cultural heritage.  Otherwise their native culture will be erased over time.

[General Battuta]

Each couple needs to have at least 2 kids to replace themselves, then extras for the couples that don't have any or only one to maintain they're core cultural heritage.  Otherwise their native culture will be erased over time.

No, no it won't.

Culture is not propagated genetically.

[SpardaSon21]

GB, I have no clue how you thought Liberator was talking about genetics, since children frequently grow up to have a similar culture to that of their parents due to similar environment and other influences.

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

[Liberator]

A better example would be how Europe is getting run over by immigrant cultures from the middle east.

[Nuclear1]

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

You don't know anything about European colonial history do you?

Because it wasn't sheer numbers that did the Native Americans in.  

A better example would be how Europe is getting run over by immigrant cultures from the middle east.

Stop, I'm just going to have you stop talking about that subject right there.

About 5% of France's population is North African. 
About 2% of Germany's population is Turkish.
About 10% of France is Muslim (compared to 88% Roman Catholic)
1.8% of the UK is Indian and 1.3% is Pakistani

This doesn't constitute "overrunning" in any sense of the term.  Stop making **** up.

[SpardaSon21]

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

You don't know anything about European colonial history do you?

Because it wasn't sheer numbers that did the Native Americans in.

I'm not talking about the early colonial era, I'm talking about what happened when we, the descendants of the European settlers, started kicking them off their land and shoved them onto reservations for them and their culture to wither and die.  Look who outnumbers who, and look who has a culture in danger of being overwhelmed.  Indian casinos certainly aren't part of their original culture.

[Kosh]

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

You don't know anything about European colonial history do you?

Because it wasn't sheer numbers that did the Native Americans in.

I'm not talking about the early colonial era, I'm talking about what happened when we, the descendants of the European settlers, started kicking them off their land and shoved them onto reservations for them and their culture to wither and die.  Look who outnumbers who, and look who has a culture in danger of being overwhelmed.  Indian casinos certainly aren't part of their original culture.

The Chinese outnumber americans by a ratio of 6 to 1, yet americanization is proceeding at a good pace.

[Liberator]

It's not "Americanization", it's the widespread development of their culture due to a massive industrialization movement ala America in the '50s.  It's just that instead of developing they're own version of McDonald's or whatever, they're simply using what already exists.

[Kosh]

It isn't just that, there's also hollywood and the impact that's had.

[iamzack]

Americanization of mental illness!

[General Battuta]

GB, I have no clue how you thought Liberator was talking about genetics, since children frequently grow up to have a similar culture to that of their parents due to similar environment and other influences.

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

What he (and you) are talking about is fear of immigrants, which is a nicely rationalized form of racism.

Children are influenced by the environment they grow up in. This is why the children of immigrants are English-speaking and (when given economic and educational opportunities) highly acculturated.

Immigrants acculturate. This is what happens. Their culture fuses with that of their new homeland and produces a synthesis.

This is what America is.

[Blue Lion]

For an example of what he is talking about, the Native Americans got overwhelmed and their cultures driven to the point of extinction simply because the European settlers outnumbered them.

You don't know anything about European colonial history do you?

Because it wasn't sheer numbers that did the Native Americans in.

I'm not talking about the early colonial era, I'm talking about what happened when we, the descendants of the European settlers, started kicking them off their land and shoved them onto reservations for them and their culture to wither and die.  Look who outnumbers who, and look who has a culture in danger of being overwhelmed.  Indian casinos certainly aren't part of their original culture.

That IS the early colonial era. Native peoples were screwed basically almost as soon as we came ashore.

It is hard to put an exact figure on it since Native Americans didn't exactly fill out a census form of their own, but most historians agree that native tribes lost 60%-90% of their people from disease alone.

The Great Plains Indians did not lose their land and sit on reservations because we outnumbered them in the plains, we didn't.
At the time before whites showed up, North and South America had a native population that ran in the hundreds of millions, cities in the 10s of thousands.

We didn't need to kill them or out culture them numerically. By the time whites moved into an area in sufficient numbers to be a force as a culture, the damage was already done. The Plains Indians were not overwhelmed either, we chased them down with guns and forced them to sit in time out and then they got sick and died like all the rest.

The Plains Indians couldn't have functioned if we had a greater cultural impact on the land than they did.