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True, but the 'new' Tardis seems even more inaccurate than normal, the Tenth Doctor didn't have any problem travelling back to the correct time to give Martha Jones his tie, but the latest incarnation of the Tardis seems far, far less accurate, and it all seems to have started with the crack in the wall in the first episode.

I have a feeling the whole 'rememberance' thing is also to do with those cracks, maybe it's the knock-back effect of the Daleks next plan? Maybe they plan to shatter time and rebuild it more to their liking? Like with the Time War, lesser races never even remembered it happened. That's why I felt a chill when the Dalek stated that its mission was to 'win the war', the first thought that came to me was, 'Which one?'. Ah well, I guess time will tell, if you'll pardon the pun :)

 

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True, but the 'new' Tardis seems even more inaccurate than normal, the Tenth Doctor didn't have any problem travelling back to the correct time to give Martha Jones his tie, but the latest incarnation of the Tardis seems far, far less accurate, and it all seems to have started with the crack in the wall in the first episode.

I have a feeling the whole 'rememberance' thing is also to do with those cracks, maybe it's the knock-back effect of the Daleks next plan? Maybe they plan to shatter time and rebuild it more to their liking? Like with the Time War, lesser races never even remembered it happened. That's why I felt a chill when the Dalek stated that its mission was to 'win the war', the first thought that came to me was, 'Which one?'. Ah well, I guess time will tell, if you'll pardon the pun :)

i must admit to having the same thought regarding which war, the thing i am trying to figure at the moment is why all the noticeable starting now, it shouldn't matter that its a new doctor these kinds of events should run anyway so is it related to the last encounter with the time lords, i mean that encounter involved major shoving at some pretty fundamental aspects of time and time travel in the whoniverse.
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I did also consider that the last confrontation was a little too much for the Universe, what with the beating it's taken lately, the rift at Torchwood being torn open and then closed again, the incident at the Medusa Cascade, and then the Timelords trying to destroy Time entirely, but maybe it's like the 'Bad Wolf' thing ,where the event is casting shadows before and after the point in time that it actually happened?

It also means that Dalek Ka'ans prediction of the end of 'all things Dalek' was inaccurate, which confused me, as well as the fact that the Daleks that engaged the Progenitor were, apparently, left over from the The End of Time, and were, therefore, made directly from the DNA of Davros, which makes them as pure as Daleks get, so I'll admit to being a bit surprised that it didn't recognise them.

Though, I'll admit, I do like the new Dalek, they are somewhat retro in look, as they should be, since they are 'original' Daleks, and, let's face it, Matt Smith isn't a short guy, and it would have looked a wee bit silly if he'd had to bend over in order to look his arch-enemy in the eye :)
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The Ironsides in this episode are the ones left over from Journey's End. I'm not sure if they were made from Davros' DNA or Dalek Caan's but the later is part human.

Personally I loved the episode.
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A little fast paced for me, with too little explanation about certain things, but a good episode.  Tho I wish they'd go back to the 90 min style from back in the 70s/80s.
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Did anyone notice how GOD DAMM OBESE these retro Daleks are?

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Tell you what, i bet the dalek operators are now thinking "thank god, some has made them bigger and wider, at last no more cramp, i've got room in this thing"  :lol: But i bet they are happy that the props been enlarged so they have some form of comfort! because i know first hand how small the inside of a dalek is!
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To be honest, I think the wheel-base is actually shorter on the new Daleks, but wider. Apparently, the biggest concern of the operators is the stopping distance on the new Dalek is a great deal longer than the old ones because of weight, and they are concerned that if they have to go down a slope at any point, you'll end up with a big Dalek-bundle at the bottom :)

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The Ironsides in this episode are the ones left over from Journey's End. I'm not sure if they were made from Davros' DNA or Dalek Caan's but the later is part human.

Personally I loved the episode.

I thought that Dalek Sek was the only one who merged his DNA with humans? Dalek Caan was still a part of the Cult of Skaro when he time-shifted into the Time War, and therefore one of the Emperors personal guard, I don't see the Emperor picking an impure Dalek for that.
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In Bad Wolf the emperor of the Dalek's combined human DNA with Dalek DNA in order to make his new followers. In Saturday's episode the Doctor mentioned that he knew all about the Dalek's single ship falling through time. AFAIK he had to be referring to Emperor's ship then. Which suggests that the Cult of Skaro were sent into the void shortly after the Emperor rebuilt his fleet (using human DNA) and that the Cult of Skaro at that point were already part human.
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Bastards!

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The buggers cliffhanger just when it was really starting to get good!! That was a good ep, poor Amy is she turning into one! Roll on sat! Those decaying angels where quite chilling i have to say. I also didn't realise Mike Skinner from the Streets was in the episode.

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In Bad Wolf the emperor of the Dalek's combined human DNA with Dalek DNA in order to make his new followers. In Saturday's episode the Doctor mentioned that he knew all about the Dalek's single ship falling through time. AFAIK he had to be referring to Emperor's ship then. Which suggests that the Cult of Skaro were sent into the void shortly after the Emperor rebuilt his fleet (using human DNA) and that the Cult of Skaro at that point were already part human.

Actually according to the behind the scenes stuff, the dalek ship is from the journeys end ep(one ship did survive if you what the scene where there all blown up frame by frame one ship does escape) and that they got knocked to WW2.  The reason the progenitor didn't accept them is because they were made from Davros's DNA and he isn't a Dalek, hes a Kaled and throughout the series whenever davros makes a new race of daleks he alters them to try and make them more deadly and also so that they don't betray him which they do. So they new dalek mutants would not match the progenitors version of pure dalek DNA.
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Just watched it again, really clever episode, what gets me is that the answer wasn't just in front of the Doctors nose, it was in front of everyone's nose, even the viewers, and yet I missed it, and felt just as silly as they did when they realised.

 
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I have to say, I did quite like this episode, but for some reason it fealt really short. Also, I totally forgot this weeks episode was a cliff hanger, Wolfy was not amused.

ya know, when I think of starbug's sig, the only thing that comes to mind is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kQ1fvNYkg&feature=related

The only thing that comes to MY mind when reading that signature was the song on that page.

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Interestingly, there is a dalekified version of said song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgQAQFYlm4
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Just watched it again, really clever episode, what gets me is that the answer wasn't just in front of the Doctors nose, it was in front of everyone's nose, even the viewers, and yet I missed it, and felt just as silly as they did when they realised.

Yep. Brilliant episode from start to finish. An episode of Who which isn't just great Dr Who but which is also simply just great Sci-fi.
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One thing that did grab my attention was Rivers' comment that she was taught to fly the Tardis by the 'very best', and that it was a pity the Doctor was busy that day. If that wasn't some kind of dig at the Doctor, and he genuinely wasn't the one who taught her how to fly it, then it raises some very interesting questions about the Doctors' future, i.e. If there are no Timelords left, who knows how to fly the Tardis even better than the Doctor does?

Jumping to massive conculsions, that hints, to me, to a reformed Master, who was always better with Tardis tech than the Doctor was.

 

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