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Re: Science is killing us
Yep. Meet Brannon Braga, single worst writer to ever work on Star Trek. He has written one good episode (ST:TNG, the one where the Enterprise gets exploded by colliding with an old ship that is flying through a temporal anomaly. 4(?) times in a row), but that's about it.
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so he essentially recycled the plot to groundhog day?

IF I EVER SEE ANOTHER GROUNDHOG DAY EPISODE OF ANY SCIFI SERIES I WILL ****ING VOMIT! THAT PLOT LINE HAS BEEN USED TO DEATH!
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Isn't this also the man who wrote the Voyager episode 'Threshold', possibly the single biggest insult to Star Trek ever conceived?
Honestly, Voyager itself was the single biggest insult to Star Trek, let alone sci-fi.
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Re: Science is killing us
so he essentially recycled the plot to groundhog day?

IF I EVER SEE ANOTHER GROUNDHOG DAY EPISODE OF ANY SCIFI SERIES I WILL ****ING VOMIT! THAT PLOT LINE HAS BEEN USED TO DEATH!
I'm sorry, I don't care how recycled the premise is-- I ****ing love that episode of TNG.
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Groundhog Day itself is already a rip of of 12:01 anyway. No idea if that was the original version of the story.

So yet again the only decent thing Braga ever did was a rip off of someone else's work. And he didn't even do that good a job of it. The Stargate SG-1 version was much better.
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Isn't this also the man who wrote the Voyager episode 'Threshold', possibly the single biggest insult to Star Trek ever conceived?
Honestly, Voyager itself was the single biggest insult to Star Trek, let alone sci-fi.

To be honest, Voyager had a lot of potential, but they kept chickening out from the hard questions, they could have beaten BSG to the punch if they'd not hit the 'reset button' every week, or used Time Travel/Spacial Anomolies etc to fix everything by the end of each episode. There were one or two episodes where it really shone, for example, when Voyager encountered a ship that had gone that way, ignoring the Prime Directive and sinking into survival mode, the original writers wanted the 'Year of Hell' to be canon, but they lost their bottle and did it as a 'seperate universe' thing in the end, I always felt it was that unwillingness to tackle the very questions Voyager had been created to ask that killed the series.

 

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They should have the whole mission successful only to wind up having the science illiterate earth they create get side swiped by a asteroid that the technologically corrupt one could have easily dealt with :P
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Groundhog Day itself is already a rip of of 12:01 anyway. No idea if that was the original version of the story.

So yet again the only decent thing Braga ever did was a rip off of someone else's work. And he didn't even do that good a job of it. The Stargate SG-1 version was much better.

I suppose, in a long-winded way, it's all an interpretation of the ancient Greek myth of Sysiphus, doomed to eternally roll a rock uphill until he can reach the top.

 

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Groundhog Day itself is already a rip of of 12:01 anyway. No idea if that was the original version of the story.

So yet again the only decent thing Braga ever did was a rip off of someone else's work. And he didn't even do that good a job of it. The Stargate SG-1 version was much better.

they knew it was an overused plot line, at least a dozen scifi shows and movies had used it before. what made the sg-1 rip is that they actually had fun with it.

so he essentially recycled the plot to groundhog day?

IF I EVER SEE ANOTHER GROUNDHOG DAY EPISODE OF ANY SCIFI SERIES I WILL ****ING VOMIT! THAT PLOT LINE HAS BEEN USED TO DEATH!
I'm sorry, I don't care how recycled the premise is-- I ****ing love that episode of TNG.

well that episode most likely came out before i grew sick of that particular plot line. :D
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Re: Science is killing us
I dunno about that series, but the direction the people are currently going in the information/technology age is slowly killing our morals and ethics.  More foul language/scenes are allowed on television, kids are beginning to know about sex/drugs at younger and younger ages, the middle and low class workers have to follow corporate orders to the letter or lose their job regardless of what their conscience thinks, more and more monotonous work, it's getting harder for a single person to live on his/her own, marriage isn't that important as it used to be, sex is not as sacred, time is moving too fast and keeps on moving faster in which at one point the humans will be pressed hard to keep up, more and more "legal" drugs needed to keep people going, etc. etc. etc.

Of course, science is a factor to all the above :(
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Actually, the ironic part is. people are losing their virginity at the highest ages in recorded history, less than 150 years ago, the average childbearing age of a woman was her early teens, and the minimum marriage age was 12. Drugs were also common among the children of those who could afford it, with Opium, and even Heroin being given to children under 10 to help them sleep in Victorian times. Worker Rights are far greater than even 50 years ago with levels of protection for discrimination, unlawful dismissal and even whistle-blowing, and, I believe that if you include non-religious unions, more marriages are taking place than ever before.

I'll admit it's not perfect, possibly never will be, but don't buy too heavily into the 'degenerating society' comments of many News agencies, to be honest, they really don't know what they are talking about ;)

 

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Re: Science is killing us
so he essentially recycled the plot to groundhog day?

IF I EVER SEE ANOTHER GROUNDHOG DAY EPISODE OF ANY SCIFI SERIES I WILL ****ING VOMIT! THAT PLOT LINE HAS BEEN USED TO DEATH!

sounds like you might be going a bit





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Re: Science is killing us
I dunno about that series, but the direction the people are currently going in the information/technology age is slowly killing our morals and ethics.  More foul language/scenes are allowed on television, kids are beginning to know about sex/drugs at younger and younger ages, the middle and low class workers have to follow corporate orders to the letter or lose their job regardless of what their conscience thinks, more and more monotonous work, it's getting harder for a single person to live on his/her own, marriage isn't that important as it used to be, sex is not as sacred, time is moving too fast and keeps on moving faster in which at one point the humans will be pressed hard to keep up, more and more "legal" drugs needed to keep people going, etc. etc. etc.

Of course, science is a factor to all the above :(

Evidence for any of this, please?

 

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Re: Science is killing us
I dunno about that series, but the direction the people are currently going in the information/technology age is slowly killing our morals and ethics. 
Only in appearance. As you go back through history, every1 generation thought that science and/or technology is killing our morals and ethics.

More foul language/scenes are allowed on television, kids are beginning to know about sex/drugs at younger and younger ages, the middle and low class workers have to follow corporate orders to the letter or lose their job regardless of what their conscience thinks, more and more monotonous work,
I like Flipside's response to this (which I couldn't have said better myself):
Actually, the ironic part is. people are losing their virginity at the highest ages in recorded history, less than 150 years ago, the average childbearing age of a woman was her early teens, and the minimum marriage age was 12. Drugs were also common among the children of those who could afford it, with Opium, and even Heroin being given to children under 10 to help them sleep in Victorian times. Worker Rights are far greater than even 50 years ago with levels of protection for discrimination, unlawful dismissal and even whistle-blowing, and, I believe that if you include non-religious unions, more marriages are taking place than ever before.

it's getting harder for a single person to live on his/her own,
Hmm, up until the turn of the 20th century you would have entire families living in one house (a so called extended family.  Grandparents2, the "home owner" and all of the children3 lived in the same house.  And even at that it wasn't until the 1950s that the nuclear family thing became popular.

marriage isn't that important as it used to be, sex is not as sacred,
  • Hmm, didn't the pharaohs of Egypt have harems?
    • sex? sacred? Its just something you do to have fun and make heirs.
  • Didn't most if not all of the Kings and Queens of Europe have "mistresses"4.
    • A monarch pretty much has to marry, but it was never for love, but as a system of negotiation and treaties. Basically the wife (usually) was the diplomat. The result was a King/Queen had his/her wife/husband and also had "mistresses"4.
  • Didn't Henry VIII declare himself the head of the Church of England so that he could divorce his wife(s) because she(they) did not produce male heirs?

time is moving too fast and keeps on moving faster in which at one point the humans will be pressed hard to keep up,
Again something that every1 generation has said.  This also starting to sound like the Luddites.

more and more "legal" drugs needed to keep people going, etc. etc. etc.
We are also living longer on average. Keep in mind, those numbers are life expectancy from birth, that is, if the child lives past 15 (or so) those life expectancy number actually jump 20-30 years longer.

Of course, science is a factor to all the above :(
Yes, science and technology is a factor, that is why we humans (most of us as least) love it so. For those that are not familiar with history (especially the study of history) there are a couple of principles that need to be kept in mind.  They are: survivor bias (or The Survivor Fallacy) and history is "written" by the winners

Now, remember, just so that I am clear, I am not saying that anyone who complains about technology and science "destroying" the "fabric" of society, is wrong or ignorant, I am just saying that, we as humans, have a very strong bias to "remember the good old days" when everything was wonderful and world was much nicer5 then.


1) For various levels of every.
2) It was their "retirement plan". Have your children take care of you. Though it help the grandparents children in that unless the grandparent was going senile they were also able to watch the children.
3) Except for the girls who were sent off to another house as soon as possible, normally well before 18.  Though the house would include the wives of the children as well, thought that depended greatly on current economic conditions (ie. some of the sons (and their wives, usually) go to the new world or to the frontier for better opportunities or just for the adventure).
4) For lack of a gender neutral word.
5) Except for the pollution, which is certainly is a concern that we in the west are learning to deal with and address (mostly through our own experience)
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good post, will copy and steal

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In my experience, "destroying the fabric of society" is more like "I don't understand $THING, I have no idea how $THING works, and thus $THING has to be bad for everyone". AKA it's what happens when you stop accepting the fact that society at large is constantly evolving to react to new trends and start to think that your society at some given point in history was better than the society you are living in right now, not only for you, but for EVERYONE. Which is just .... mind-boggingly presumptious.
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In my experience, "destroying the fabric of society" is more like "I don't understand $THING, I have no idea how $THING works, and thus $THING has to be bad for everyone". AKA it's what happens when you stop accepting the fact that society at large is constantly evolving to react to new trends and start to think that your society at some given point in history was better than the society you are living in right now, not only for you, but for EVERYONE. Which is just .... mind-boggingly presumptious.
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I just hear "social conservative, social conservative.  i hate freedom and i'm here to take yours away"
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