[iamzack]

Isn't it really Midwest Baptist if it's in Kansas?

[Scotty]

I dunno.  The church is called "Lansing First Southern Baptist Church."  I think it has to do with the church association we're in.  Not 100% sure on that.

[BloodEagle]

You know what? My new goal in life is to gay**** on the altar of each type of major religion. Starting with Baptists.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Old meme is old.

[iamzack]

I might actually start with Lutherans, because their church is closer to my house.

[Snail]

You know what? My new goal in life is to gay**** on the altar of each type of major religion. Starting with Baptists.

Admirable.

[Thaeris]

 

Congratulations. You've succeded in filling another thread with epic failsauce.

[karajorma]

I have yet to see an actual literalist. Try to confront one you suspect, and ask them about shellfish. The bible condemns eating shellfish as "an abomination" on par with homosexuality. Or ask him about mixed fabrics clothes. Again, bible says it's not allowed.

And Christians believe those rules no longer apply to them due to Jesus' sacrifice.

Sorry, but you're going to have to try harder if you want to claim that there is no such thing as someone who believes the bible is literally true. Especially as pretty much everyone on HLP who has ever argued against evolution is (or at least was) one.

[iamzack]

Dunno where you could find anyone that believes ALL of the bible is literally true... and has actually read all the rules. What's the point of joining a club if you only believe in a tiny section of the mission statement?

[Nuclear1]

And Christians believe those rules no longer apply to them due to Jesus' sacrifice.

They believe that the ones regarding themselves--dietary restrictions and behavioral restrictions--don't apply.  When it comes to homosexuality and adultery in others though...all of a sudden the Old Book is good enough for them.

[el_magnifico]

Dunno where you could find anyone that believes ALL of the bible is literally true... and has actually read all the rules. What's the point of joining a club if you only believe in a tiny section of the mission statement?

Seriously, do I have to answer that? Why do people join a political party if they aren't going to agree with absolutely all the opinions of a political leader? Would you prefer that I believed everything that the bible and the pope said by word and acted like a fundamentalist or something? Note that the world isn't black or white, yes or no. There are a lot of grey shades, and a lot of uncertainties.

And Christians believe those rules no longer apply to them due to Jesus' sacrifice.

They believe that the ones regarding themselves--dietary restrictions and behavioral restrictions--don't apply.  When it comes to homosexuality and adultery in others though...all of a sudden the Old Book is good enough for them.

I'll leave the answer to General Battuta. He seems to be a lot better than myself at making people understand generalizations based on hatred and stereotypes just don't hold in real life.

[General Battuta]

Seriously, who the heck is 'they'?

I know plenty of Christians who are all for gay rights and sexual equality.

[iamzack]

Dunno where you could find anyone that believes ALL of the bible is literally true... and has actually read all the rules. What's the point of joining a club if you only believe in a tiny section of the mission statement?

Seriously, do I have to answer that? Why do people join a political party if they aren't going to agree with absolutely all the opinions of a political leader?

Because they are morons. You picked a bad analogy.

Seriously, who the heck is 'they'?

I know plenty of Christians who are all for gay rights and sexual equality.

Most of them definitely aren't.

[Nuclear1]

Seriously, who the heck is 'they'?

I know plenty of Christians who are all for gay rights and sexual equality.

And I know plenty of airmen who are completely anti-DADT.  Doesn't matter though, since the military leadership has to change the policy, not a bunch of soldiers with differing opinions.

Just because there's a bunch of Christians that are open to gay rights and sexual equality, doesn't mean it's still not a part of most Church doctrines that homosexuality is wrong.  

[General Battuta]

Seriously, who the heck is 'they'?

I know plenty of Christians who are all for gay rights and sexual equality.

Most of them definitely aren't.

Cite statistics.

The heuristics you're using here are, again, disturbingly similar to those that drive sexism and racism.

Just because there's a bunch of Christians that are open to gay rights and sexual equality, doesn't mean it's still not a part of most Church doctrines that homosexuality is wrong. 

Perhaps so, but that's not necessarily grounds for judging an individual Christian.

There are many Americans who are against various destructive US policies.

[el_magnifico]

Because they are morons. You picked a bad analogy.

Good. Now I know that people who join a political party are supposed to agree with everything a political leader says, even if such political leader contradicts himself.

 

Just because there's a bunch of Christians that are open to gay rights and sexual equality, doesn't mean it's still not a part of most Church doctrines that homosexuality is wrong. 

Granted. But that's not what you said originally.

[iamzack]

Seriously, who the heck is 'they'?

I know plenty of Christians who are all for gay rights and sexual equality.

Most of them definitely aren't.

Cite statistics.

The heuristics you're using here are, again, disturbingly similar to those that drive sexism and racism.

If a majority of christians supported gay rights and sexual equality, we'd have gay rights and sexual equality in christian majority countries.

this is the quickest thing i could find on google: http://www.gallup.com/poll/128291/americans-opposition-gay-marriage-eases-slightly.aspx

[General Battuta]

Fallacious. Even if this assertion were true, tarring every Christian with the same brush without finding out their individual beliefs is stereotyping on the same order as declaring all Black people to be less successful or more prone to criminal activity.

[iamzack]

81% of Americans who claim no religious affiliation favor legal same-sex marriage. That compares to 48% support among Catholics and 33% among Protestants (including those who identify as Christian but do not specify a particular Christian denomination).

I'm afraid I don't understand how judging people based on the ideology they subscribe to is the same as judging them based on their skin color. Saying I shouldn't assume Christians are against gay rights is like saying I shouldn't assume they believe Jesus was the son of a deity who really lived and was really born of a virgin. Sure, they don't ALL believe it, but it's in their book.

[LordMelvin]

Fallacious. Even if this assertion were true, tarring every Christian with the same brush without finding out their individual beliefs is stereotyping on the same order as declaring all Black people to be less successful or more prone to criminal activity.

[Poes Law]
And kee' 'em 'way fro' mah Kay Eff Sea!
[/Poes Law]

In my personal experience, there's two basic types of Christians: Aggressive ones(A), who are going to convert you to their personal blend of the Revealed Word whether you like it or not, and Nice ones(B), who were paying attention to that whole "other cheek" thing, and who mostly do food-pantry related outreach. Type As can be pretty homophobic at times. Type B's are generally nice enough and can make for very good company. In my personal circle of acquaintances, there's perhaps a 55%-45% ratio of Type B to Type A Christians. In my personal circle of friends(an important distinction), there's a few type Bs, and that guy Chad[name changed, cause it's none of your damn business].

On the other hand, in the media, I think I saw a type B once. Not sure.

[General Battuta]

81% of Americans who claim no religious affiliation favor legal same-sex marriage. That compares to 48% support among Catholics and 33% among Protestants (including those who identify as Christian but do not specify a particular Christian denomination).

I'm afraid I don't understand how judging people based on the ideology they subscribe to is the same as judging them based on their skin color. Saying I shouldn't assume Christians are against gay rights is like saying I shouldn't assume they believe Jesus was the son of a deity who really lived and was really born of a virgin. Sure, they don't ALL believe it, but it's in their book.

lol I dunno

I still think you've got to take it on a case-by-case basis.