[Bonehead]

I only ever saw two in the campaign - Aquitaine and Phoenicia.  How many do you think they had at the time of Second Shivan Incursion?

[MatthTheGeek]

I'd say about a dozen, probably less. At least one per fleet, maybe more depending of the fleet. Was the Phoenicia in the same fleet than the Aquitaine ?

[Jeff Vader]

Three destroyers are mentioned by name (Aeneas, Delacroix, Vengeance), but do not appear in any missions. And since their ship classes are not mentioned, you can never be sure. But it is possible that one or more of them are Hecates.

[headdie]

the tech room says that they are replacing the Orions as flagship of terran battlegroups.  replacing says to me that the process is still ongoing at the start of FS2 but im guessing most terran fleets posses at least two (assuming that battlegroup and fleet aren't being treated as interchangeable by )

if battlegroup and Fleet are interchangeable then I'm guessing less than 12

[Snail]

Don't forget the NTF had at least one, the NTD Corsica from Rebel Intercept.

[MatthTheGeek]

Isn't that a multiplayer mission ? What's the policy about the canonicity of multiplayer missions ?

[Snail]

Isn't that a multiplayer mission ? What's the policy about the canonicity of multiplayer missions ?

I'd say they're canon but should be taken with a pinch of salt...

[QuantumDelta]

it's an expanded V mission, done with patch 1.2.

[Paladin327]

its also possible the NTD Cyrene was a hecate too. what we also dont know is how long the hecates have been in production to make an estimate. assuming the first hecate was the GTD Hecate, we can get a minimum of 5 destroyers, assuming that 2 of the mentioned destroyers are hecate, which is entirely possible. another good question would be how mny typhon class destroyers are still in service.

[Snail]

its also possible the NTD Cyrene was a hecate too. what we also dont know is how long the hecates have been in production to make an estimate.

No, the Cyrene was definitely an Orion. It's seen in a CBAnim.

[el_magnifico]

NTF: http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/FreeSpace_2_Rebel_Ship_Database#NTD_Jacobus
GTVA: http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/FreeSpace_2_Terran_Ship_Database#GTD_Carthage

Corsica was a Hecate. The Jacobus and the Normandy could have been Hecates too.

Most NTF destroyers are Orions.

[shameless speculation]
I've always thought that the NTF was given outdated equipment to make them look inferior story-wise, though it actually gave them better equipment.
Or maybe the GTVA was secretly replacing their equipment with something best suited for peacekeeping until the NTF arrived and stole the rest.
Who knows...
[/shameless speculation]

[MatthTheGeek]

Hum... Remember they still had the Shivan threat quite well in mind. The construction of the Colossus proves it quite well.

[The E]

Also, while they might not have gotten modern destroyers, they certainly scored some sweet Cruisers (wasn't it implicated that they had most of the produced Aeolus class Cruisers?) and a number of Deimos Corvettes. The NTF fleet was certainly not ill-equipped.

[el_magnifico]

Hum... Remember they still had the Shivan threat quite well in mind. The construction of the Colossus proves it quite well.

Yes, and perhaps they had to cut spendings for that.
I mean, there has to be some explanation or some excuse for the Hecate, the Subach, the Mentu, the Bonaerges (this one is practically admitted), the cancelling of the Aeolus production, the lame Fenris upgrade, the Myrmidon as a space superiority fighter when it should clearly have been a multi-role fighter, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's why I said it was speculation, but there has to be some explanation...

[MatthTheGeek]

Subach is very good, and the Mentu is quite durable for an anti-fighter cruiser (and for a Vasudan cruiser, actually).

[Droid803]

If you go by the Aeolus tech room description, the NTF control about half of all constructed Aeolus cruisers...
Cutting Aeolus production is probably one of the worst calls the GTVA could have made. The Aeolus is probably the most effective cruiser in the game, perhaps aside from the Lilith, as it can swat down fighter wings like nothing else, and its only blind spot is in its engine wash.

The Myrmidon is labeled as a Space Superiority because, well, that's probably what it's closest too.

If you go purely with statistics, the Fenris actually has more anti-capital firepower than the Leviathan. Its LTerSlash actually outdamages the SGreen over time due to the SGreen's retardedly long reload time. Not that that would save if from anything, being made of paper...

Hecates carry more fightercraft than Orions and we all know that an extra wing of fighters in FreeSpace is far more valuable than an extra heavy beam cannon, especially since that said fighter wing can easily disarm the said beam cannon with little trouble. The Hecate also actually has means to defend itself from fighters and bombers, unlike the Orion which has like one blob turret to defend its entire flank which coincidentally has all its heavy weapons. You can approach an Orion from the side and never be targeted by a single point defense weapon, and then disarm all its beams without ever coming under fire.

[Snail]

A lot of you guys are missing the point on the Aeolus. It was cancelled because the entire cruiser ship type was to be replaced by the corvette. And let's not deny that the Deimos is tougher than the Aeolus against both capships and fighters.

[Kie99]

I'd be surprised if the NTF had any Hecate destroyers, the second in command of the NTF was in command of an Orion and, in universe at least, the Hecate is seen as being superior.

[Snail]

the second in command of the NTF was in command of an Orion

Who?

[Droid803]

the second in command of the NTF was in command of an Orion

Who?

Maybe he thinks its Koth?