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Offline Snail

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In BP, there are alternate universes. Inferno R1, Inferno SCP, BP, 2395, ED and all campaigns in the FS universe could be part of BP!

(ok sorry i'm an asshole)

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Offline Snail

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* Snail pigs out on potato crisps

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Back on topic, you have lots of pretty ships and shiny weapons in the modpack. :yes:

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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In BP, there are alternate universes. Inferno R1, Inferno SCP, BP, 2395, ED and all campaigns in the FS universe could be part of BP!

(ok sorry i'm an asshole)

No 'End War'? I'll remove you from facebook for that!

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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You're right. It's almost like BP reversed (both for the GTVA and Sol), only with more black-and-white instead of grey.

You know, except for the whole mysticism and destiny and Bei's special purpose theme that is the principal driving force behind the Blue Planet storyline. Just like Blue Planet, except for the thing that makes Blue Planet Blue Planet? That doesn't even make sense.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline -Norbert-

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Okay let me specify. Just like "Blue Planet: War in Heaven" reversed.
In WiH the mysticism and the Vishnans are merely mentioned as a sidenote in the backstory, but from what I heard from the team so far, it sounds as if they won't make any appearance in WiH.

And I'd further argue that the driving force behind Blue Planet isn't so much the mysticism, but the characters.
And don't let General Battuta see you saying that Blue Planet contains mysticism or you're going to have a long argument about it with him.  :p He stated quite often that there is no such thing as mysticism in BP. Everything can be explained scientifically.

But I for one would like to bring the discussion back to Conflict 2395, even though I'm partly to blame for derailing the thread :o
Any info on how that dictator managed to get into power? I get that he used the fear of the Shivans to his advantage, but I'd like some more detail please.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2010, 06:19:01 pm by -Norbert- »

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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My theory was that the original GTA was a military junta, with the grandfather of the Solar Republic's current Generalissimo as its head, but not with the sort of unrestricted power that the Solar Generalissimo has--he was "first among equals" in a council of military oligarchs. During the Great War, the GTA, unlike the Shivans, did not move their central government offworld. While the Vasudan emperor, his ministers, and the Parliament were evacuated when the Lucifer came, the GTA's ruling junta chose to stay on Earth in preparation for a last stand at Sol in case the Lucifer broke through. This meant that the GTA was essentially decapitated in winning the Great War, hence its rapid collapse as an interstellar empire. In Sol the period of chaos and strife was briefer than in the Terran diaspora, and the presence of a ruling Terran state was more or less continuous--there were rebellions and areas of temporary lawlessness, as well as lots of backstabbing, murdering, and chicanery going on in the transitional government, but no warlords carving out fiefdoms like in the diaspora. The first Generalissimo was quick to consolidate his power and his authority as the "legitimate" successor to the original GTA government. He eliminated his political opposition through various covert and overt means and rallied most of the GTA's remaining forces to his banner. Once he had secured his control over Sol, he renamed the state the "Free Democratic Solar Republic" and ruled as a totalitarian dictator, and since then the mantle of Generalissimo has passed from father to son.

As for science and BP, there is nothing scientific for that UEF "faith and reason" speech that follows Bei's near-death experience. If anything, it was anti-scientific.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

"did they use anesthetic when they removed your sense of humor or did you have to weep and struggle like a tiny baby"
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Offline General Battuta

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Where'd my post go? :(

Anyway, the natural place for the story to go post-FS2 is a Sol/GTVA war. This one is definitely similar to Inferno and BP in that respect, but there's plenty of room in that general set of themes and story archetypes for all sorts of fun stories, so I'd hardly call it a concern.

It's an interesting hybrid of the two in that it has the UEF/GTVA dynamic of BP but Inferno's black-and-white dynamic.

Looking forward to checking it out if it ever gets towards release. If you pick up any modelers/converters please let me know; BP could really use a few too.

Looking forward to checking out the custom AI. Is it a variant of Fury's?

Oh and a nitpick:

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As for science and BP, there is nothing scientific for that UEF "faith and reason" speech that follows Bei's near-death experience. If anything, it was anti-scientific.

Hardly. Don't confuse the statements of one man on one topic with some sort of general philosophy either of the (strongly pro-science) UEF or the campaign itself.

The fact that mysterious things happen does not mean they cannot be explained by science. The stars used to be sky gods before they were stars.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 12:30:35 am by General Battuta »

 

Offline -Norbert-

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And alto a little nitpick from me.
There was no Vasudan Emperor during the Great War. That title was re-introduced to help rally the Vasudans behind a common cause after losing their homeworld. And considering that they did better in the rebuilding than the Terrans, it worked out.

So what's the state of the general pupblic like, both on earth and the other planets and moons? Are the people fanatic followers of their beloved father figure, or are they disillusioned and bitter because they are supressed by a monster on the throne?

 

Offline SF-Junky

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My theory was that the original GTA was a military junta, with the grandfather of the Solar Republic's current Generalissimo as its head, but not with the sort of unrestricted power that the Solar Generalissimo has--he was "first among equals" in a council of military oligarchs. During the Great War, the GTA, unlike the Shivans, did not move their central government offworld.
Well, they could have evacuated to another planet within the Sol system. This would've been sufficient in case the Lucifer brakes through and levels earth, at least for the time being. Nobody could think that all this would result in the whole system being cut off from the rest of the GTA.

 

Offline Snail

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There was no Vasudan Emperor during the Great War. That title was re-introduced to help rally the Vasudans behind a common cause after losing their homeworld. And considering that they did better in the rebuilding than the Terrans, it worked out.
Canonically incorrect. The Vasudan Emperor did exist, but as a figurehead and possessed no political power until 2339 when Khonsu II dissolved the Parliament.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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PVE -> Parliamentary Vasudan Empire. The title speaks for itself. Same way than in the UK, it's a kingdom, but that doesn't mean the Queen has full powers.
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Offline -Norbert-

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And there I always wondered about what the "E" was standing for.
I only read that Khonsu dissolved the Parliament and took over absolute power and assumed that there was no Emperor before that....

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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FS1 said that a single dynasty had been ruling the Vasudan people for 10,000 years, so yes, there was an Emperor. A Conflict 2395 intelligence entry gives the Great War-era Emperor's name as K'haku I, which was later Anglicized as Khonsu I.
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16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline Woolie Wool

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My theory was that the original GTA was a military junta, with the grandfather of the Solar Republic's current Generalissimo as its head, but not with the sort of unrestricted power that the Solar Generalissimo has--he was "first among equals" in a council of military oligarchs. During the Great War, the GTA, unlike the Shivans, did not move their central government offworld.
Well, they could have evacuated to another planet within the Sol system. This would've been sufficient in case the Lucifer brakes through and levels earth, at least for the time being. Nobody could think that all this would result in the whole system being cut off from the rest of the GTA.

No, not really. The Shivans leave no survivors when they enter a system; they destroy everything. The options would have been to defend Earth at all costs or to flee to another system, and the list of systems to run to was growing rather short. I don't think the GTA was willing to give up Earth; they were going to make their stand there or die trying. The Vasudans were known to have expanded from Vasuda Prime quickly due to the resource poverty of their homeworld; while they lost a great deal when the Lucifer showed up, the Terrans had far more at stake, hence the Terran diaspora's extreme hardship after the Great War.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

"did they use anesthetic when they removed your sense of humor or did you have to weep and struggle like a tiny baby"
--General Battuta

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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Hardly. Don't confuse the statements of one man on one topic with some sort of general philosophy either of the (strongly pro-science) UEF or the campaign itself.

The fact that mysterious things happen does not mean they cannot be explained by science. The stars used to be sky gods before they were stars.
The way the quote was framed and the part of the story it featured in made it seem like (a) the guy being quoted was of great intellectual authority in the UEF and (b) the opinion he delivered was some sort of central revelation in the story. If what he said is not entirely accurate than I think that passage should have been presented in a different way.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

"did they use anesthetic when they removed your sense of humor or did you have to weep and struggle like a tiny baby"
--General Battuta

 

Offline The E

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He is an important person for the story. That doesn't make him omniscient. (However, he is mostly right, but do not confuse the vocabulary used with the message he is sending, just because he talks like a new-age hippy kinda guy doesn't make him one)
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Also. . . . Does it have a flag :)?

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Offline Woolie Wool

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The GTVA doesn't have a canon flag to my knowledge. I did make a logo (a smaller version of which is on the Conflict 2395 banner image in the OP) but I can't find it right now.



The motto inscribed is "Deos fortioribus adesse" or "the gods favor the strong". Pretty much sums up what the FDSR is all about.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 08:16:58 pm by Woolie Wool »
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

"did they use anesthetic when they removed your sense of humor or did you have to weep and struggle like a tiny baby"
--General Battuta