[headdie]

what im saying is it wouldn't have had the armour

say 140,000 hp and Terran equivalent weaponry to the shivan stuff mounted

also i dont remember anything in canon to say the hades started as a terran/shivan hybrid project

[Snail]

Yeah true...


Ok but srsly I don't think those things we see post-Shivans would've been manufactured on their own without some incentive (ie. not being annihilated).

[Droid803]

Well, I don't know how you think they managed to build a 4 km long ship in a few months when it took 20 years to build the colossus.
They would have had to have started the Hades hull long before the Shivans arrived.

[Snail]

Well, I don't know how you think they managed to build a 4 km long ship in a few months when it took 20 years to build the colossus.
They would have had to have started the Hades hull long before the Shivans arrived.

The GTI probably knew about the Shivans long before they arrived...

[Droid803]

That's certainly a possibility.

[headdie]

Well, I don't know how you think they managed to build a 4 km long ship in a few months when it took 20 years to build the colossus.
They would have had to have started the Hades hull long before the Shivans arrived.

The GTI probably knew about the Shivans long before they arrived...

i suppose all this begs the question what is the development/construction cycle on a destroyer scale ship

[Snail]

Well, I don't know how you think they managed to build a 4 km long ship in a few months when it took 20 years to build the colossus.
They would have had to have started the Hades hull long before the Shivans arrived.

The GTI probably knew about the Shivans long before they arrived...

i suppose all this begs the question what is the development/construction cycle on a destroyer scale ship

I'd say it'd take more than the few months during which the Great War took place (given that the Colossus took 20 years to build). That said, I do believe the Hades project was created with the original goal of harnessing Shivan technology.

[-Norbert-]

The project colossus took 20 years. That doesn't mean the actual building of the ship took that long.
Surely they must have run into one problem after another considering they never undertook anything of that scale before.

[The E]

Yeah, I figure that those 20 years were spent building the infrastructure to build the technology to build the technology to do the R&D on the tricky bits of building the technology to build the Colossus.

[Woolie Wool]

The whole project of the Hades was based on Shivan technology. I really don't think it could be constructed without at least some Shivan technology. Sure they could've constructed a new destroyer but it wouldn't be anything like the hades.

Seriously, if we were capable of building a giant superdestroyer with eight times as much armor as our heaviest warship then why hadn't we done so already? Why wait 14 years?

I think the Hades had been in development for a long time before ST and that the GTI hastily fitted it with new Shivan toys when they got ahold of them. A humongous spaceframe like that doesn't just appear out of nowhere. My theory is that it was meant as a GTA superweapon to use against the Vasudans before the Shivans arrived. The GTI used technology from the Lucifer to increase its destructive potential after they saw the power of Shivan warships.

Yeah true...


Ok but srsly I don't think those things we see post-Shivans would've been manufactured on their own without some incentive (ie. not being annihilated).

Considering that the GTA was at least seriously entertaining the prospect of assaulting Vasuda at the beginning of FS1, I think it's reasonable to say that the possibility of both sides having genocidal final objectives can't be ruled out. I think that if the GTA reached Vasuda they would have glassed it.

[-Norbert-]

I don't think so. Level the major cities? Most likely. Level all detectable cities? Unlikely but possible.
But glassing the entire surface? Not even the Shivans did that. It's a waste of time and resources, even when you don't intent to take-and-hold the planet and are not interested in it's resources.

[Woolie Wool]

Dropping a couple hundred Tsunamis or whatever the predecessor for them was (surely there were bombs before the Tsunami, the idea that there weren't is patently absurd considering that the Vasudans had them long enough to build at least two generations of bombers) would kill pretty much everyone on Vasuda Prime immediately and condemn any survivors to a slow, lingering, horrible death. Our hydrogen bombs are like firecrackers compared to what the FreeSpace universe considers weapons of mass destruction. The target world might not be made fully melty and airless like a Base Delta Zero, but there wouldn't be any sapient beings left when it was all over.

[SpardaSon21]

The Harbinger was a jury-rigged hack-job of a bomb originally designed for planetary bombardment (as much of a jury-rigged hack-job space-borne multi-gigaton nuclear ordnance can be), so chances are the GTA had some anti-planetary ordnance lying around with multi-gigaton yields.  A few of those and Vasuda Prime has gone bye-bye.

[Klaustrophobia]

the tech description for one of the bombs stated it was originally reserved for planetary bombardment until some sort of breakthrough in manufacturing was made.

[IronBeer]

the tech description for one of the bombs stated it was originally reserved for planetary bombardment until some sort of breakthrough in manufacturing was made.

That would have been the Harbinger.

[Mongoose]

I think we need a third choice.

[Klaustrophobia]

well "win" is kindof a loose term here, since both sides pretty much already lost 14 years in.

[FelixJim]

well "win" is kindof a loose term here, since both sides pretty much already lost 14 years in.

I don't know quite about that; combined we had enough resources and fire-power to take on a Shivan fleet.

[headdie]

well "win" is kindof a loose term here, since both sides pretty much already lost 14 years in.

I don't know quite about that; combined we had enough resources and fire-power to take on a Shivan fleet.

I think what he's on about is the "human" cost of the war, the number of devastated family's.  Thats before you consider the damage done to both species in social, industrial and cultural terms

[TrashMan]

Orion vs. Tyhon - Orion wins. Has more big turrets. Test it out if you want.
The Typhon has better defences methinks.

But it's moot. When you say "the PVD Pinnacle destroyed the GTD Eisenhower" you're not exactly giving out a lot of information. How was it destroyed. By direct, close-combat engagement. Surprise attacks? Ambush? By the typhon alone or by it's whole battlegroup?

But what do we know?
1 - humans had many new tech in testing/production phases. So did the Vasudans, but less as far as we know

2 - humans had confirmed shield testings

3- humans held more territory and pushed deeper into Vasudan territory