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Offline achtung

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Taxable Food and Food Stamps
Here's a debatable issue which likely never reared it's head in this place. I'm really not sure if anyone here will have an opinion on the issue either. Although, since I was having this discussion with someone else yesterday, I wanted some more opinions. This question arose because I work at a grocery store.

Should someone be allowed to by "taxable food" items on food stamps?

By taxable food, I mean items like soda and candy. I can't count the number of times I've seen people spend upwards of $100-$200 on nothing but soda and candy. I hate to sound like an uncaring douchebag, but when I see someone trot through with a cart full of what is essentially crap, I'm disgusted that a part of my meager paycheck goes to pay for such incredible waste. I always thought food stamps were available so people could eat well enough to keep themselves healthy, not so they could blow them on what one could call "bad habits." Am I wrong for holding that opinion?
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Re: Taxable Food and Food Stamps
Not quite sure how it is where you live, but around here (Germany), getting healthy food if you're on a really tight budget is incredibly hard.
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I'm not familiar enough with how food stamps work, but if what they receive is valued enough that they can feed themselves buying proper dietary items like fruit, grain, meat and vegetables then no they shouldn't be allowed to buy crap like soda and candy with them.  On the other hand I assume what is happening is that what they receive doesn't support a healthy food consumption and that crap has a much better cost to weight ratio.  In which case it's the food stamp systems fault.  Since forcing people to buy crap means they require even more aid when they develop health issues like diabetes as a result of their diet.
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Not quite sure how it is where you live, but around here (Germany), getting healthy food if you're on a really tight budget is incredibly hard.

By "healthy food" do you mean "health food" or food that simply isn't total crap? In Michigan nearly any franchised grocery store carries value priced food, which is essentially made of low quality ingredients but isn't by any means bad for you. And then there's all of the food that's marketed specifically as healthy, organic, and pesticide-free, which is negligibly healthier for you (at best) than the value priced food when you compare the value priced food to fast food or other junk food.

 

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In some states here in the US, people don't pay sales tax on food.  In other states they do.  And them in some, they have a bastardized mix between the two in order to promote certain foods over others(where the g'ment gets it's right to do this is dubious) and he's asking if it's kosher for folk to buy the taxable stuff with their food stamps, which have no actual monetary value but are accepted as vouchers that the grocery stores turn into the G'ment for money.

My two cents is that there shouldn't be a difference between types of food.  It's either taxable or it's not, and anything else is the government playing favorites, which it isn't supposed to do.
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I have to say, I don't disagree with candy/soda/junk food being taxed. Here in KY, that's the case. The only food that tends to be taxed is generally food stuffed with all of the sugar and fat imaginable. My question is more or less whether food stamps should be accepted for food that has nearly no nutritional value, or only food that provides something beyond pure carbs, fat, and cholestorol.
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If regulating what they can be spent on can still supply the purchaser with the amount of food they need to feed their family then yes.
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Ohio is one of the states that has a mix on what is taxed but a very small one.  Things like beer, cooked foods, and fountain pop (possibly candy not sure) is taxed where pretty much everything else isn't.  The food stamps pretty much follow the same type of rules.  I can see the beer part but some of the others don't make sense.  For instance you can get a fountain pop one heck of a lot cheaper then a single bottle of water (something else you shouldn't be able to use if for).  You can get a decent cooked meal in a store almost as cheap as you can make it (again this varies from place to place).  Heck if you go into wallyworld and by microwave frozen burgers and take them home and toss them in the microwave it's not taxable.  Toss them in the microwave at the convenience store and magically they are taxable and you can no longer eligible for food stamps. 
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It seems like that might be because they can't legislate a difference between the burger microwaved in a gas station and a fast food burger for some reason (maybe laziness? something else?)
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Not quite sure how it is where you live, but around here (Germany), getting healthy food if you're on a really tight budget is incredibly hard.

this is true. i mean look at the nutrition info on most (affordable) food items (this includes those value boxed meals too), youre greeted with so many zeros it makes me question why were eating it in the first place. i perfer to actually cook, as opposed to going the boxed meals route (for one i grew up on them and thus hate them, also i can never get them to come out right, they defy the rules of cooking), i buy lots of produce, meat, and raw ingredients without any actual plan of what im going to cook. i never bothered to check to see if anything i make is healthy or not. it also depends on where your at. fresh vegetables are very expensive here, so i buy frozen unless theres a sale. my sister started buying bulk produce and freezing it herself, i wonder if shes on to something. meat is cheap here, which amazes me. and what really irks me is i live in a fishing town, yet we still pay top dollar for fish. you used to be able to buy halibut right at the dock for $4 a pound, but the government put a stop to that, so we have to pay $15-$20 bucks a pound for it now. and that is why i vote republican.
In some states here in the US, people don't pay sales tax on food.  In other states they do.  And them in some, they have a bastardized mix between the two in order to promote certain foods over others(where the g'ment gets it's right to do this is dubious) and he's asking if it's kosher for folk to buy the taxable stuff with their food stamps, which have no actual monetary value but are accepted as vouchers that the grocery stores turn into the G'ment for money.

My two cents is that there shouldn't be a difference between types of food.  It's either taxable or it's not, and anything else is the government playing favorites, which it isn't supposed to do.

i can agree with that. if anything saying that these products get this tax and those products get this other tax, and then there's a sales tax on top of that. keeping all this straight certainly costs the store money which increases the prices at the store. when the stores have to bring in a programmer to tweak the software on the registers because the government put a new tax law on the books (ive seen it happen once), that can get expensive. also it seems un-american to say "were gonna give you these food stamps, but you only get to buy the products on this list". youd probibly save everyone some money if you executed all the food industry lobbyists. :D

getting food stamps is fairly easy. you give proof of your income and tell em how many people you have to feed and if its below some level, they apply some obscure formula to determine how much you get. they dont care where you get your money, so its not just welfare bums who are on it. usually there are poor people with big families to feed. so when someone buys a couple hundred bucks worth of cola and chips, maybe its because they have a dozen kids and they need to put something to drink in their lunch boxes. still you might get a couple people abusing the **** out of them. i buy quite a bit of cola, i figure its better for the public than if i was hooked on heroin or meth, and stealing their stuff to pay for it. i do the shopping, and we get a couple hundred in food stamps, mom pitches in a hundred, and i pitch in another hundred on top of that, then we spend most of it and buy about 3 weeks worth of groceries. which includes my 4-8 bottles of coke (i buy more when its on sale) and my moms coffee supplies (her coffee usually is loaded with sugar and expensive flavored creamer), and she usually gets a snack, id say about $25 goes to junk. id say thats fair.

but when i was living with my brother and getting my degree, i was receiving my own food stamps. i was working then but was only getting minimum wage and since my schedule was loaded (it went get up, bus, bus, work, bus, bus school, bus, bus, bar (this is where i used to study), bus, sleep) it was necessary to buy my own food and usually eat it on the go. i was never in one spot for more than an hour so id just get me a coke and a bunch of slim jims and that would be my dinner for the day. i only got like a hundred bucks a month, not a lot. but i abused the **** out of those. they mostly went to junk. i lived on fast food (which ate up my cash) and snacks. funny thing was i only weighed 200 back then, i didnt get fat till i started eating more healthy.

from a political standpoint the taxes on junk food (im sure some states and municipalities have had laws like this but nothing at the federal level) came into being around the time obama put in his healthcare plan. they wanted to make sure to recoup the losses from people who abused their health with a sin tax on junk food. in all likelyhood it was added onto the plan as if it was something tacked on at the last minute to get a couple more votes for it. if the government is that desprate for cash, then why doesnt it legalize marijuana, put big taxes on it (much as was done with alcohol and tobacco). it would give the government a lot more money with which to spend wastefully.
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Too be fair about it, I'd rather the government didn't spend money wastefully.  Virginia went from something like a $500,000,000 deficit to a $200, 000, 000 surplus simply by cutting all the pork outta they're budget and they did it without raising taxes.
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maybe they should make politicians salary inversely proportional to the amount of money under budget they are at the end of their term.
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You mean performance-based pay?  You can't do that for government workers.  Its all... capitalist and efficient. :shaking:
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You mean performance-based pay?  You can't do that for government workers.  Its all... capitalist and efficient. :shaking:

Actually the method you just endorsed is ridiculously inefficient. I'll see if you can spot why.  :p

 

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Too be fair about it, I'd rather the government didn't spend money wastefully.  Virginia went from something like a $500,000,000 deficit to a $200, 000, 000 surplus simply by cutting all the pork outta they're budget and they did it without raising taxes.

I believe that was West Virgina but yea. 
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Re: Taxable Food and Food Stamps
You mean performance-based pay?  You can't do that for government workers.  Its all... capitalist and efficient. :shaking:

Actually the method you just endorsed is ridiculously inefficient. I'll see if you can spot why.  :p
Government workers?  Yeah, bureaucrats can't do anything quickly or efficiently.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Taxable Food and Food Stamps
You mean performance-based pay?  You can't do that for government workers.  Its all... capitalist and efficient. :shaking:

Actually the method you just endorsed is ridiculously inefficient. I'll see if you can spot why.  :p
Government workers?  Yeah, bureaucrats can't do anything quickly or efficiently.

We could privatize everything but I imagine you'd strongly dislike the results.

The sane answer, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle ground.

(And no, that's not it. Look at the algorithm you're proposing and note that you've allowed it to deviate wildly from efficiency.)

 

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How about we just pay them their normal salary if there's a surplus or we break even, and just not pay them at all during times of defecit?

 

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Whatever Clinton did seemed like it worked okay.