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Offline Droid803

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I think its heavily implied that they did have problems, just not all the time.
Donno, that's how I've always taken it.

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Or if the Typhons beam cannons cannot be powered sufficiently, change her into a missile destroyer. :)
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I think everything should fit in with the plot and the background, especially the operational tactics of the Vasudan fleet. If the Vasudans have been doing so well since Capella, why deploy an old refit or missile boat in Sol? I'm sure the HTL Typhon will be in a mod concerning an earlier timeframe.
Long time ago, you see, there was this thing called the VBB and... oh, nevermind.

 

Offline Flak

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
We have seen a modified Orion in WiH which is otherwise still perform its role pretty well, so the Vasudans probably did the same with their old Typhons.  Just strip the obsolete blob turrets and replace them with pulse turrets and/or more flak and AAA. I don't think it needs better beam weapons (the original BVAS are the best large beams), they just need more of it, preferably some which can be fired from broadside. Just label the ship as Typhon Mk2 or something like that.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Or if the Typhons beam cannons cannot be powered sufficiently, change her into a missile destroyer. :)
I could see a Typhon doing that.

 

Offline Darius

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Back when I was stuck for a model for the GVL, I did muse the possibility of using a Typhon instead.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
weren't the vasudans so prosperous post-capella because they DIDN'T spend a lot on military?

i think about the best usage for old typhons would be as impromptu installations.
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Offline Ypoknons

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
That's not the impression I get from 'The Rift'

Quote from: The Rift
Moreover, the Vasudan Battlegroup organizational scheme was more flexible and versatile than the Terran Fleet model.
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On the Vasudan side, animosity towards Terrans grew as they continued to devote resources to their return to Sol. The prosperous, cosmopolitan Vasudans of the post-Capella era looked down on the Terran fixation with their homeworld and resented continued Terran xenophobia towards the Vasudans.
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The Medjai began an ambitious restructuring of the Vasudan military in order to create a totally self-sufficient and powerful force capable of power projection, sustained counter-insurgency operations, and node denial. The Terrans, who were still struggling to get their own new warship program off the ground in the face of massive debt, were not pleased to see themselves so thoroughly eclipsed.
The impression I get from The Rift is that the Terran part of the GTVA had little free cash available because of spending on the Sol gate (which, as if WiH, has yet to pay off in terms of resources gained) and possibly counterinsurgency, and their economy was not all that strong after Capella. What they did not have, was money to upgrade warships. Hence we see cost saving measures like using the GTD Cathage as a quick jump drive test-bed and older ships used in combat roles (two GTD Hecates and an Orion in Sol, for example). The Vasudans, however, had a strong economy, was not weighed down my massive projects like the Sol gate and thus managed to modernize their fleet ahead of the Terrans (and presumably invest in things that provide a more immediate return, like infrastructure). Whilst a Typhoon refit is not incompatible with the idea of a modernized, flexible fleet, I have to question whether these 40-50 year-old spaceframes are suitable for combat purposes. Supply and other behind the line tasks seem much more realistic roles for them.
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
That can probably explain why Steele is striving so hard to get the Vasudans to join forces with the Tevs...
Even though Tevs have super beams, they barely have the money to power them.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
The Typhon's beams are already a bit on the low side for FS2 standards, and secondly, so are the turrets, which are barely 17 ad wouldn't need reducing for a two kilometer ship.

The Typhon's turrets aren't exactly very sturdy either. A fighter pilot skilled enough to evade its turrets and fighters can strip it of all its weapons in under five minutes.
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
That can probably explain why Steele is striving so hard to get the Vasudans to join forces with the Tevs...
Even though Tevs have super beams, they barely have the money to power them.
yes, because the terrans burn money to power their beam cannons
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Offline Commander Zane

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
That can probably explain why Steele is striving so hard to get the Vasudans to join forces with the Tevs...
Even though Tevs have super beams, they barely have the money to power them.
yes, because the terrans burn money to power their beam cannons
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Offline crizza

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Well, what about the whole PVN Hope thing?
IMHO a typhoon destroyer and the pride of the vasudan navy...should get a comeback...

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
It should yes, unfortunately though it made the Galatea's mistake of challenging a superdestroyer...

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
It looks like BP is following a good part of STR canon, hence the Hope is nothing more but space dust by now. Nothing is said about the Pinnacle though.
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Offline -Sara-

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Well, what about the whole PVN Hope thing?
IMHO a typhoon destroyer and the pride of the vasudan navy...should get a comeback...

I think the Vasudans with their whole new "moving forward" ideology would not care right now for nostalgia concerning a ship such as the Hope.
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I agree. They didn't seem to care much for the loss of their homeworld, why would they cling to a ship class?

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
And Vasudans seem to actually IMPROVE their capship designs over time. Look at the Hatsh over the Typhon and the Mentu over the Aten, compared to the Hecate over the Orion...
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I think the Tevs kinda need to capture Earth to level the playing field, cos humanity is really getting outplayed.

 

Offline Delta_V

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I don't really understand why the Vasudans would have disliked the Terran's efforts to reconnect with Sol.  Sure, they could have diverted that effort to infrastructure or whatever, but that was part of the point of restoring contact with Earth.  If you reconnect with Earth, you have access to the massive industrial base of Sol, which would be a huge benefit to the GTVA, so I would think the Vasudans would have encouraged this. Granted, this did not go according to plan, but they couldn't have known this ahead of time.