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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Can someone do a gigas fanwank split please?
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Can someone do a gigas fanwank split please?

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Can someone do a gigas fanwank split please?

Darius is banned because he's on honeymoon, so get a Global Mod or admin to do it.

i live here

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Can someone do a gigas fanwank split please?

What's the rent like? Is it hard living with the E?
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Quote fail?
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Quote fail?

Apparently yes. I had something cool and witty to say but the moment's lost. :(

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
You've placed it in the wrong quote.
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Offline ION3

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
You propably don't have use for them anymore, but I'll just mention some thoughts about WIH weapons here:

In WIH1 all weapons use almost no energy. (at least the weapons shown in the campaign) That takes a layer of complexity away from energy management.

The Vulcan, Maul and rapier are very similar in WIH1. In the WIH1 context i would have made them more like:

Vulcan:

projectile velocity: 1200
time between shots: 0.2
damage per shot: 12
Energy use per shot: 0.5

Damage per second: 60
Energy use per second: 2.5
Damage per energy: 24

Uses:
Complements the Maul very well.
long range engagement for finishing of severly damaged enemys (low energy use needed for sustained fire due to low hit propability)
long range engagement of fast ships which don't let you come close, and which have weak armor (interceptors) (especially useful if you fly slow ships, something which never happened in WIH1)
bomb intercept (high fire rate, long range, fast projectile)

Maul:

projectile velocity: 500
time between shots: 0.65
damage per shot: 70
Energy use per shot: 1.6

Damage per second: 107
Energy use per second: 2.4
Damage per energy: 50

Uses:
Complements the Vulcan very well.
Short range engagement of slow and highly armored targets (bombers,heavy fighters) (especially useful if you fly a fast ship, so all ships are slow compard to you and you can get close)
For fighting VERY slow and VERY highly armored targets (transports freighters cruisers) (low energy use for sustained fire to take down heavy armor)

Rapier:

projectile velocity: 800
time between shots: 0.2
damage per shot: 20
Energy use per shot: 1

Damage per second: 100
Energy use per second: 5
Damage per energy: 20


uses:
general purpose weapon, frees your other weapon bank for a specialist weapon.
Very deadly (high damage per second and high projectile speed)


I made such a modified table for experimentation purposes. It's attached



I generally feel, that in WIH1 fighter combat often takes place at shorter range than in retail freespace. Is that only because you are using the Kentauroi most of the time or is there a deeper sense behind that?

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« Last Edit: December 23, 2010, 02:30:59 pm by ION3 »

 

Offline Snail

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
You don't need a detailed model if it only appears in the distance

You can feel free to place the Gargant in a mission yourself and check it out.

Where do I download it? All I can find is the old Gigas

The Gargant has not been released yet, unless it popped up when I wasn't looking.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I definitely feel that not enough was done to differentiate the Vulcan, Maul and Rapier. In fact that's one of my primary issues with R1, the weapons were pretty samey. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to change now without going back through all the missions to check balance.

 

Offline ION3

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
That and the lack of player ship diversity.

It can be changed for r2.

Two more thoughts:

The Maul has almost the same velocity as the hellfire.

The vulcan turrets on ships like the uriel could be replaced with a maul turret. (assuming my balancing) I think that would be much more annoying for attackers.


I might also add that I as a non native speaker still dont understand the meaning of "wargod six" and "jump five team". Despite understanding the context in which they were used and playing the campaign often. And please don't call ships: Eris     Instead: UED Eris.   This would reduce the needed brainpower to follow the story a great deal. I was very confused on my first playthrough.
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Offline Snail

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I might also add that I as a non native speaker still dont understand the meaning of "wargod six" and "jump five team". Despite understanding the context in which they were used and playing the campaign often.
"Wargod Six" is a military callsign. Similar-ish to "Alpha 2" but on a taskforce-level rather than on a wing-level. A ship that is on "Jump Five" is ready to be deployed to any location within five minutes. It's military jargon and not really necessary for understanding the plot. They could have just made up random jargon (like practically all military sci-fi settings do) and nobody but Dilmah would notice.

And please don't call ships: Eris     Instead: UED Eris.   This would reduce the needed brainpower to follow the story a great deal. I was very confused on my first playthrough.
You know, I have a beef with people who add prefixes to ships in-mission. Very few canon retail missions did that, and it just kinda looks ugly. I'd prefer if they left the ship prefixes out.

 

Offline -Sara-

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Sorry ION3 but saying "Eris" instead of "UED Eris" makes a lot of sense. If someone serves on say the USS Nimitz, an aircraft carrier, they're probably going to say "I serve on the Nimitz" and not every time "I serve on the Yuu Es Es Nimitz".
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Offline The E

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Yes. That is, in fact, the reasoning behind omitting them. The problem is that those prefixes only very rarely feel "natural". As we hope to get these things voice acted at some point, we have to take care to write the dialogue in a way that people can speak it with a certain amount of flow, and those prefixes ("GTD" and "GTCv" especially) always bring a sentence to a crashing halt in terms of flow. (At least, that's what I, personally, believe)
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Offline -Sara-

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
And alternately saying "This is the Galactic Terran Destroyer Carthage reinforcing your position." doesn't really pronounce comfortably either.
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Offline Delta_V

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
The only times I can imagine the prefixes possibly being used would be when a ship arrives on station (This is the GTD ***** on station) or when referring to enemy ships in briefings.  For instance, I could see the UEF saying GTD Carthage during a briefing because that tells you that it is a destroyer without having to say anything else, but if they included the ship class (in this case, an Orion class destroyer), they probably wouldn't say the prefix.  Basically, they might say the GTD Carthage, but not the GTD Carthage, an Orion class destroyer.  In normal speech, especially referring to friendly ships, the prefixes shouldn't be used.

  

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Aside from which 'GTD' is made up of letters that have hard sounds, it goes well with ships that have powrful sounding names like Carthage or Repulse. GTD Pony wouldn't have the same effect unfortuntely.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Especially as it's slang for Crap over here lol. Xx
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Aside from which 'GTD' is made up of letters that have hard sounds, it goes well with ships that have powrful sounding names like Carthage or Repulse. GTD Pony wouldn't have the same effect unfortuntely.
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Offline ION3

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
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Sorry ION3 but saying "Eris" instead of "UED Eris" makes a lot of sense.

I know. The problem is, that when i read the briefings i was often just wondering what the hell they are talking about, as it all doesn't really make sense if you don't remember which ship is which. If the ship class is given by a prefix you do at least have a hint. And if you see that a ship is a cruiser, you know that you propably don't need to remember it anyway as it's not important.

I do roughly understand the gameplay relevant parts in such cases, but the background info is also important in WIH.