[MatthTheGeek]

While the GTVA as a whole is technically at war with the UEF, the Zods just don't feel concerned by the Sol war, which is why they haven't participated in it for as long as 18 months. The fact they finally sent a logistic ship during WiH is the sum of the war going on for too long already (Zods fear as much as the Tevs an attack by Shivans at any moment, and the GTVA can't afford to be still caught in the Sol war the next time they return), and Steele's own influence at the highest level of the GTVA, more than any will of the Zods to crush the UEF.

Overall the Zods are still reluctant to really get involved in the war, the UEF knows that, and that's why they try to avoid bothering them too much. The Zods already have a Hattie in-system, the UEF just can't afford a destroyer of that magnitude to engage open hostilities, and even less to see more Zod reinforcements pouring from DS.

Also, ^5 for the WiH Collector edition. Just put it on a real storage system instead of Blue-ray. Trololo

[Gunteen6]

What do I want to see? I want to see an explanation for the ship that jumped in with a hostile IFF in the WiH finale and then disappeared from sensors the instant I got its IFF... Nobody saw it, nobody said a thing, and I didn't have time to investigate it.

Then my AWACS gets melted in the face.

There was an actual ship? I always assumed the Carthage somehow managed to TAG the AWACS, for some reason.

I remember seeing a jump in, it turn hostile, and disappear. I'll lay even more fake monies that it was sent by steele.

[General Battuta]

I wanted to say 'yes we put that in :smug:' but it looks like something actually got misplaced in the mission. 

[Gunteen6]

Well I may just be crazy. Even if I replay it I doubt i'd see it again.

[General Battuta]

You might well be right as something like that was supposed to happen, but looking through the mission I don't see...it was supposed to be there!

[-Norbert-]

If you plan on putting it in, I'd suggest a stealth fighter with the tag missiles rather than an aurora. But the tag might also have come from inside the ship, places by a spy or even GTVA sympathist prior to the engagement and activated remotely.

[Gunteen6]

But was it not said that a TAG beacon was registering "off the hull"?

Plus the existence of a literal platform to deploy the beacon would give a chance for the PC to notice the strange fighter approaching the AWACS and eliminate it. Unless it was given invul tags or was covered by a swarm of other stealth ships with the exact same mission. AND if the stealth fighter is noticed enough to be engaged, the PC then has to have some kind of dialogue stating "Hey... probably nothing... but I found this stealth fighter launching dirt at our AWACS... just thought someone would like to know... -cough-"

[Flak]

Yeah, I think a stealth fighter is more appropriate for that. However, since it is an Oculus, which doubles as an AWACS, using a stealth fighter can be considered pointless, as you want something that can actually get away rather than 'stealthed'.

[-Norbert-]

An AWACS that currently has it's hands full with jamming the weapons of the Carthage and their long range communications to prevent them from calling in help. And if everything works well, the AWACS won't be able to detect the fighter for long, because of being destroyed.
Besides I don't think Steele really cares about the live of a single fighter pilot. Just look at how many fighters and bombers he sacrificed to make his plan work, not to mention the potential loss of five Deimos, two five cruisers (the ships that get disables in the mission before and the ones in Delenda Est, when you take their engines out).

[Mars]

Steele's fighting the war the way he is to try to minimize loss of life. He knows he's going to lose more people at once, but fewer people overall.

I think an AWACs ship jumping in near the Carthage would be enough to make the change convincing.

[-Norbert-]

Your suggestion goes against your own statement.
If he tries to minimize the loss of live, sending a single fighter makes more sense than sending an AWACS. The fighter has a higher chance to be shot down after fulfilling his misison than the AWACS, but if the AWACS get's destroyed you lose hundreds or even thousands of lives instead of a single fighter pilot.
Hell, for what little it has to do, the fighters could even be sent on auto-pilot or remote controll. Warp in and fire a single TAG missile. In such a big battle a stealth fighter will only be noticed once it opens fire, but by then it's already too late to stop the TAG from hitting, even if it's noticed for what it is before hitting.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

The range of the TAG-A is 2 klicks. The TAG-B's range is 1625 m and the TAG-C's is 2665 m. The TAG-A and C may not travel very quickly, but they can hit a big stationary target pretty easily.

If a stealth fighter was indeed responsible for painting the UEA Hanuman, it may be a possible reference to how the player does it in PI.

[Gunteen6]

I'll have to go back and play PI then... I must learn what you mean.

[Arx]

The Five-Disc Complete Collector's Edition Blu-ray.  Featuring the 'War in Heaven: The Final Cut' , spectacularly restored and remastered from original elements and scanned at 4K resolution, containing never-before-seen added/extended scenes, added lines, new and improved special effects, director and fredder commentary, an all-new 5.1 Dolby® Digital audio track and more..  Plus the other four versions of the campaign and 10 hours of additional bonus features.   All packaged in a snazzy tin with a UEFg Karuna scale miniature.

I want... badly o.o scale model ftw! but tbh it could fit on 5 DVD's =p cheaper too!

but seriously do want! o.o

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I'll have to go back and play PI then... I must learn what you mean.

Spoiler:

You fly right up to a hostile transport being heavily escorted by elite PCA fighters, hit it with a wire-tapping device from no further than 500m, and get out without them ever noticing you. The only assistance you have is from one of the escorts, who's working undercover. She prevents the other ships from locking on to you once you get to within 500m of the transport. You are flying a Pegasus.

[DarthWang]

I hated that mission

[Snail]

I did too. It was frustrating.

[General Battuta]

Needed a skip button for the dialogue.

[Kamfrenchie]

I would personnaly like to giv Steelea lesson...

But more seriously, unless i missed something, shouldn't the FED/UEF have beam weapon aswell? since several GTVA ship defected to join them, they must have acuired thetechnology to produce those right?
I would also like to see again the "Labouchère"  and the sanctuary, or at least know what they've been doing during all those months. btw aren't ther more soldiers defecting?

(I would prsonaly greatly apreciate a "lighter" uriel gunship, that would be a bit better a dodging while sacrificing the gatling gun (as an example, since i didn't find it that useful compared to wht the Archr can do) but it's probably complicated  to change things + i'm the oonly person asking for it, just wishful thinking. )


From my personnal point of view, maybe there could be a little bit more hatred between both sides; apart ffrom Laporte, I don't remember seing much chharacters thirsty for vengeance, though such war woul probably cause of it, with so much civilian casualties and such.
And well, even though WiH had a very good plot, (i'm being picky, don't worry), i thought the charaters/ commanders wer maybe a little naive. They got plenty of pilots and fightrs sabotaged when they stole the Agincourt, and with the last missions, they were simply overconfident/over relying on their intel and report. They had a back up plan in case the carthage would run away, but not in the case of wrong intel/ traps. I think most good generals would be like "it's too good to be true".

Well maybe they had a back up plan but it wasn't good enough to take down the imperieuse so thy cancelled it. But it is not really said so it feels like they were a bit careless.
Andd I would have kept firing on the carthge instead of going for the imperieuse, since they seemed to have decent chance of destroying the carthage (especially if they rammed into it)

I'd like to know roughly how many ships each side has, since several ships get destroyed, yet it's hard to see how bad it is to lose a frigate if you dont know how muh are left. (50?) Maybe put some more cruiser too, i can't eally say i they're effective or not, since the Vilnius is meant to be pwnt and I'm too busy to look at what the Vatican is doing.


other ideas... would it be possible to do atmospheric battles?

Maybe we could see some of the rookies Laporte saved durinng the attack on the staions of earth?

[General Battuta]

None of these bad ideas.

18 months isn't long enough to get beam weapons into production and fitted to ships built from a very different techbase.

The Wargods knew the risks going in. But their source in the GTVA had previously given them a major victory and they had an opportunity for an even bigger one. (Given the identity of the source, too, some close to the Council of Elders would have vouched heavily for the trustworthiness of the information.) It's easy to say, looking back, that they should have known it was a trap, but it was simply too good an opportunity to pass up. These things happen in real wars.