[DarthWang]

So is the Gargant going in?

[Mars]

So is the Gargant going in?

You know, I think out of all of them this mod has the highest percentage of admins who will kick you off of their mod forum for things like that. I don't think the answer has changed, and if it had, would they tell us?

[MatthTheGeek]

[Snail]

No, dumb troll is dumb.

[General Battuta]

I dunno he's kind of growing on me

growing huge

like a gargant

[NGTM-1R]

I dunno he's kind of growing on me

Parasitical.

[SypheDMar]

More use of creative FREDding with a purpose.

[Commander Zane]

I dunno he's kind of growing on me

growing huge

like a gargant

Quoted for lulz.

[-Norbert-]

Just a few quick ideas and possibilities:

Maybe the theory that what we saw in the hallfight cutscene were just manufactured bio-mechanical soldiers is true and Ken is one of the "real" Shivans, controlling out of the Shadows.
Just because the creations are rather blunt in their tactics doesn't mean the creators are dumb.

I know this is an old post, but FYI [V] have explicitly stated that this is not the case. What we saw were Shivans - they specifically said that it wasn't some kind of power armour or defence drone or whatever. Buuut the whole "hive mind" theory, if it turned out to be true, certainly leaves the door open for their being more than one type of Shivan - workers, soldiers, queens etc. might all look very different.

I don't see the connection there. You say it isn't wearing power armor or some such and isn't a drone (I assume you mean fully mechanical construct either AI or remote controlled - some insects have subtypes called drones too after all). But a genetically manipulated being or a being grown in a lab is neither. And since they are considered evil, they shouldn't have problems doing something like that to members of their own species. Or maybe the augmentation was even voluntarily to increase their abilities as soldiers.... if they are individuals with a free will in the first place anyway.

Now what you said would certainly contradict the other theory I threw around in another thread, about what we saw being an encounter suit for the shivans and them being energy or psychic beings without a physical body. Though since it was only contradicted in a post or interview of a Volition member and not by any official release, I think a mod could go with the idea anyway.

[Luis Dias]

And since they are considered evil...

By whom? By your humanesque sense of morality? There's a tautology hidden here, my friend.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

So is the Gargant going in?

[Qent]

Could we shoot down SSMs before they jump to another engagement?

Reposting because it seems like it got lost. :< Soooo... yeah.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I think it's possible, but you have to be very quick. The SSMs only linger around for slightly longer than the game's arbitrary immunity on them, I think.

[General Battuta]

It could be done in a mission, the problem is that FRED does not have a hook to determine whether a weapon has been shot down.

[-Norbert-]

And since they are considered evil...

By whom? By your humanesque sense of morality? There's a tautology hidden here, my friend.

By whom you ask?
I'd say by pretty much the entire Human and Vasudan races in FS2 and a lot of real people too.
Me? I think what they do is wrong. That doesn mean they are necessarily evil, though wiping out entire planets, sunsystems and races is hard to justify. Especially since they didn't even try to communicate (or at least didn't put enough effort into it that Humans and Vasudans were able to even notice it).


As for the SSM matter:
I have pretty little idea of what's possible in FRED these days, so don't laugh if the following idea is ludicrous.
Would it be possible to fake the jumpout of the missile and really let it fly on invisible to hit an invisible target and then judge how many missiles got through by the damage that dummy target took?

[General Battuta]

Unfortunately there is no way that I know of to perform FRED operations on weapons.

[Luis Dias]

And since they are considered evil...

By whom? By your humanesque sense of morality? There's a tautology hidden here, my friend.

By whom you ask?
I'd say by pretty much the entire Human and Vasudan races in FS2 and a lot of real people too.

Exactly. That is why I said it was tautological. It's still true, shivans are evil, despite this fact being tautological: we consider everything we "don't like" as evil, and if we don't like what shivans are doing, they are evil. Seems simplistic in logical terms, but it works.

Me? I think what they do is wrong. That doesn mean they are necessarily evil, though wiping out entire planets, sunsystems and races is hard to justify. Especially since they didn't even try to communicate (or at least didn't put enough effort into it that Humans and Vasudans were able to even notice it).

Notice, all this is human values, not shivan nor "alien". What is "wrong" in wiping out entire species, apart from humans not liking it? How many times you kill annoying ants crawling up the kitchen table, without a second's thought? Do you consider yourself "evil" for doing so?

And this obsession with communication might well be just a human folly. Perhaps it's precisely this obsession that the shivans are keen to wipe the galaxy from, as some form of pollution. Ever thought about that?

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Hmm, what about firing local SSMs to a token ship very far away from the combat zone ?

On second thought, I think they still leave ugly trails between their point of origin and their destination.

[Dragon]

Unfortunately there is no way that I know of to perform FRED operations on weapons.

Perhaps this could be done by making a ship that uses the missile model (or even a different model, for example a missile attached to subspace drive module) and launching it using a fighterbay patches or some kind of FRED trick. It wouldn't most likely work for ship launched SSMs, but for those launched from some kind of static platforms, it might (BP ones seem to be the of former kind though).

[NGTM-1R]

What is "wrong" in wiping out entire species, apart from humans not liking it? How many times you kill annoying ants crawling up the kitchen table, without a second's thought? Do you consider yourself "evil" for doing so?

You have a severe problem with scale.