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Offline Sushi

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I'm just plain Pro.  :pimp:

 

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I've given up on the United States as a source of meaningful advancements in stem cell research.  The political climate makes it virtually impossible for publicly-funded teams to conduct research.
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Well, the puritans did come from Europe you know.  So it's not all our fault.
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Re: US stem cell research sabotaged again
I've given up on the United States as a source of meaningful advancements in stem cell research.  The political climate makes it virtually impossible for publicly-funded teams to conduct research.
I'm not jumping into this lovely den of fire any further than this, but while this comment may hold true for embryonic stem cells, there's all sorts of work being done on adult stem cells, including a multitude of viable treatments in use today.

(Please don't anyone make anything more out of this than it is.  I'm going to do my best to ignore this topic's existence, for my own sanity. :p)

 

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What does supporting the death penalty have to do with being pro-life?  Pro-life comes from the believe that every life should have a chance, and the death penalty is for those that have had their chance and screwed up so badly as to warrant it.  I'm pro-choice by the way, mostly for logistical reasons.

Hypocrisy is what; that is, it would come as no surprise if many of the pro-life people are in the pro-death-penalty camp as well... if I'm understanding Locutus of Borg's statement.

 

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I'm Pro-choice because of Grammar.

:wtf:

In other words, the word 'Choice' means the ability to say Yes or No, which is a fact Pro-lifers tend to gloss over ;)

 

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Well duh. If they could, the pro-lifers would have us call the alternative "pro-death", and the pro-choicers would have us call the alternative "pro-force-women-to-do-something-against-their-will"

 

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I suppose the difference is that the first description is not in any way accurate, whereas the second description could be.

 

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I suppose the difference is that the first description is not in any way accurate, whereas the second description could be.


Yeah but it's not very appealing, then again the truth seldom is in these kinds of debates.....
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Most pro-lifers I know call pro-choicers "pro-abortion."

 

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Funny thing is, the only reason Pro-choicers exist is to defend women from Pro-Lifers. If a woman is pregnant, and wants to keep the child, neither side has a problem with that, they are happy for the mother, if, however, the mother feels the need to terminate the pregnancy, then only the Pro-lifers have a problem with that, the reason the Pro-choice movement was formed was in order to defend those women from being forced into having the child. If there were no Pro-lifers, there would be no need for a Pro-choice movement. So, quite frankly, the fastest way for Pro-Life groups to get rid of Pro-Choice groups is to disband...

 

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The only kind of abortion I really oppose is the kind that isn't necessary.

If there's a medical reason, okay.
If someone has been raped, so be it.
If the mother's life is in danger, fine.

If the person getting one just doesn't want to deal with having a kid, put it up for adoption.  Abortion shouldn't be an after-the-fact contraceptive.

 

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Agreed, Abortion is NOT birth control, that's certainly one idea that should be strongly discouraged, but it does require a lot more focus on the teaching of proper contraception to American youth, instead of the totally untenable 'abstinence' thing that seems to be common.

The fact is, the number of Abortions that take place, at least in part, boil down to the fact that sex-education in the US seems to be of a pretty low level in some areas, if peope want the number of Abortions to go down, then the level of Sex education needs to go up by an equal value.

 

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The only kind of abortion I really oppose is the kind that isn't necessary.

If there's a medical reason, okay.
If someone has been raped, so be it.
If the mother's life is in danger, fine.

If the person getting one just doesn't want to deal with having a kid, put it up for adoption.  Abortion shouldn't be an after-the-fact contraceptive.

Abortion shouldn't be birth control, but frankly I fail to see how shoving yet another kid into an overburdened adoption system is any better, especially given the horror stories we've heard from it.
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Oh yay abortion debate, man couldn't see this coming at all...



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Offline Kosh

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That's the REAL issue behind the stem cell debate, this isn't about science, it's about religious dogma and people trying to shove it down our throats.
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Pro-life and pro-choice are both terms that imply the opposite sounds much worse, that being anti-life or anti-choice.

Many would argue that the adoption lists are quite long, but some would be confused as to how that is when there are adoption centers full of children.  The problem is, no one wants that have already been imprinted upon by another mother, etc.  They don't want 'damaged goods', they want a brand new baby.  Well, I say tough ****, if you want to adopt, take one of the kids that needs a family.  I agree with Kosh that we don't need to keep giving these picky parents the choice of a new born baby when there are still so many homeless kids out there.

Also, black children make up the bulk of the adoption centers, and yet are less likely to be adopted, whether it be because of less demand, or race-matching practices in some areas.  There are far less black parents willing to adopt, so many of these children get stuck in a horrid system leading to them never beind adopted and ending up put out on the streets never having known what it's like to have a good family.  As you can see, this can easily become a self-feeding system.

So let the black women get abortions?  Well that's racist.  :P  We have to open it up to everyone if we open it up to anyone, now don't we

Another argument I hate:  What if the aborted child was going to be the next Einstein, or cure cancer?  Well that's a moot point, he's equally likely to be a jackass, a murdering rapist, or the next Hitler (how many posts till Godwin's?).  So it doesn't really work to argue with hypotheticals like that.
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Another argument I hate:  What if the aborted child was going to be the next Einstein, or cure cancer?
:lol:

That's a funny argument, I like it.

 

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If someone has been raped, so be it.

How come the fetus's life suddenly doesn't matter when it's a rape baby? Come on, does a fetus's right to life trump the mother's right to not share her reproductive organs or not?
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Does a fetus' right to life trump anything?  Is there a fetus' right to life at all?  There's the crux of the argument I think.
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