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Offline TrashMan

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Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.
Have you never played the second KotOR game?  The one that questioned all of the established facts about the Sith, Jedi, and the Force?  The storyline is excellent, and the game would have been far better if LucasArts, the publisher and damn them, hadn't forced it to be released early for the Christmas market with poor QA and lots of cut content.

Yes, I have played it, and I didn't like the story.
F**** that old crow Kreia, the two stupid sith lords and the whole "force hunger/void/wound"

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The whole joke is that Bioware dialogue is both excellent and terrible.

Bioware dialogue is excellent. What people b****ed about was the dialogue wheel display shorts.

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Planescape Torment and Fallout 1/2 ring any bells?

Planescape Torment? Meh.
Liked the Fallout series tough. Were interesting games.
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Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.
Have you never played the second KotOR game?  The one that questioned all of the established facts about the Sith, Jedi, and the Force?  The storyline is excellent, and the game would have been far better if LucasArts, the publisher and damn them, hadn't forced it to be released early for the Christmas market with poor QA and lots of cut content.

Yes, I have played it, and I didn't like the story.
F**** that old crow Kreia, the two stupid sith lords and the whole "force hunger/void/wound"
TrashMan, I would say you have no soul, except that wouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.
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Offline General Battuta

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Bioware dialogue is excellent

A

get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

go to A

  

Offline The E

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Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.
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It's not just Bioware.  Practically everyone does a little of that ever since full voice acting became absolutely mandatory for an RPG.  Wish it was just yes three different ways, but it's usually dialog very carefully crafted so that the NPC response can be the same for yes, no, maybe, or derp.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Yeah, exactly.

And to be honest I understand it. When I did the conversation tree mission in War in Heaven I immediately knew why they all do it. (Plus, disk space problems; audio is big.)

 

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Offline NGTM-1R

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Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.

To be honest I can't recall that happening in the options so much as it happening in what's actually said. Which is arguably worse.
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Offline Ravenholme

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Obsidian's QA is nowhere near as bad as its rep.

I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure there are people with far worse QA out there. Matrix Games comes to mind.
It's actually mostly because of the ****ty engine the game runs on, but yeah more could have been done

It's odd though, I haven't been getting any actual bugs besides maybe one ant through the ground and one bugged quest in over 60 hours of gameplay and only maybe 2 crashes. That's far better than post patches FO3.

Likewise, no problems. Obsidian do good writing, another one of their flawed gems would be Alpha Protocol - it got slated, but I played it through twice and really enjoyed it.
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Offline TrashMan

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TrashMan, I would say you have no soul, except that wouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.

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Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.

Not really. That's a limitation with gameplay, when the game cannot allow you to do something different (for various reasons..dev time, cuts, etc..).
I don't personally like it either, but it's a different thing than dialogue. Different ways to say X is part of roleplaying, to give your character a bit more character. HOW you character does/sez X is also part of making the character your own.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Different ways to say X is part of roleplaying, to give your character a bit more character. HOW you character does/sez X is also part of making the character your own.
Yeah, but I can't see much characterization, if you are given the options

"I most wholeheartedly agree with you."
"I wouldn't be so sure."
"Suck my dick, I'm Kurt Cobain.",

and regardless of what you choose, your character will say

"I guess you're right."

and always with the same tone.

I suppose they could just represent what you think but can't really say in the situation, but does that really need dialogue options? You could easily just think what you think and know that you have only one dialogue option available and you must select it in order to continue.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
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Offline TrashMan

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Again, flavor.

Does your character agree with X, disagree but decide to go along because its' practical, or because he sees no other option, or whatever? It all gives more things with which to define the character. Granted, the game worlds mostly react poorly to such cosmetics, but it doesn't take into account your appearance when you can create your own PC either, now does it?

You can make a ungodly sin against creation or a super-smecksy character, and you're treated the same by the game. By that logic, face creation shouldn't even be in....
Nobody dies as a virgin - the life ****s us all!

You're a wrongularity from which no right can escape!

 
Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."

'I am looking for my dad. middle aged guy".
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[Intelligence] Oh! You tell people about the good fight on the radio!




 

Offline Nemesis6

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Radscorpion, eh? Don't you mean a mud crab?  :D
« Last Edit: November 09, 2010, 08:21:03 pm by Nemesis6 »

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Again, flavor.

Does your character agree with X, disagree but decide to go along because its' practical, or because he sees no other option, or whatever? It all gives more things with which to define the character. Granted, the game worlds mostly react poorly to such cosmetics, but it doesn't take into account your appearance when you can create your own PC either, now does it?

You can make a ungodly sin against creation or a super-smecksy character, and you're treated the same by the game. By that logic, face creation shouldn't even be in....
I, for one, can get the "flavour" all by myself, if I know that I disagree with something but there's really not any options on what to say in a situation. Or if I must create a face or something. I don't need the game to tell me "Hey, psst. Here's some flavour. It won't affect anything in any way, but there it is! Flavour!"
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
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Offline Mr. Vega

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Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."
Nah. In hell, the voice acting is done by Bethesda.

In heaven it's done by Funcom.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2010, 10:23:09 pm by Mr. Vega »
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Offline BloodEagle

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Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."
Nah. In hell, the voice acting is done by Bethesda.

In heaven's its done by Funcom.

You guys should really check out the link I posted.

 

Offline TrashMan

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I, for one, can get the "flavour" all by myself, if I know that I disagree with something but there's really not any options on what to say in a situation. Or if I must create a face or something. I don't need the game to tell me "Hey, psst. Here's some flavour. It won't affect anything in any way, but there it is! Flavour!"


I agree that even flavor should ideally have some effect on the game (but that costs zots..)
But say you can supply all the "flavor" by yourself. That is called imagination. You don't need a game for that, a book will do. Heck, you don't even need a book.

One doesn't need a face, you can imagine it. One doesn't need a voice actor, I can imagine how my PC speaks. That is true, but it also misses the point.
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