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Offline Scotty

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If by "phoney" you mean we're busy bombing the everloving **** out of anything that looks remotely military, then yes.

 

Offline FUBAR-BDHR

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Let's see all we need is a single shot laser and a large rotating mirror and we can make human popcorn from space. 

Seriously though what do you think would happen if that nut job leading the country spontaneously combusted? 

No I'm not saying we can do it or should do it.  Would the masses cheer, not give a damn, or are they so brainwashed they would think their god had been taken from them and retaliate? 

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Offline Dilmah G

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I know that there's a number of people who would cheer. Or so the defection rates would suggest.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Yeah, as I mentioned in the last topic about this lovely little corner of the planet, why the **** hasn't someone blown Kimmy's head clean off by now?  There has to be some existence-denied agency out there among the Western powers that could have done the job ten times over.  Granted, it probably wouldn't do a whole lot to defuse the current situation, but damn if it wouldn't be satisfying.

 

Offline Bobboau

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it would be a good start.
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Offline Dilmah G

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All the world leaders probably want him alive to laugh at during NATO piss-ups and such.

 

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[assassinating lil' Kim] would give his next of kin a personal reason to strike at the west, and that's not something the world leaders, and especially SK&japan AKA the dudes definitely in range of missiles.
also, NK is rather closed-off and therefore rather hard to infiltrate, as stereotypicial deniable operators aren't exactly korean, and no amount of epic beard can hide that.

 

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Although without a clear transfer of power it just might cause an implosion. 
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Offline Dilmah G

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I seriously doubt that you could put its citizens in an even worse state.

 

Offline FUBAR-BDHR

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No but the kids fighting over power might be enough.
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Offline Bobboau

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I at least, did not imply that killing kim was the end, or that his kids would be permitted to fight over power.
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Can't we all just be friends? :(
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can haz nukulear war now plz
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Can't we all just be friends? :(

A whole bunch of people died because of lil' Kim and you want to be friends with him and his buddies?
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Yes, because North Korea is not just Kim Jong Il, and it is not only he who would die if hostilities kicked off. It's like judging all Americans by the countries foreign policy, I try not to do it.

 

Offline Bobboau

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the whole 'dynastic hand over' pretty much proves that it's not going to get better and as time goes on NK is going to just get more and more belligerent and dangerous as time goes on. it is only a mater of time before a war breaks out and the longer it takes the worse it's going to be.
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Personally, I think the key here is with Seoul strengthening its ties with China. I do get the feeling that China are aware steps will have to be taken over North Korea's beligerance on the international stage, but they are very wary about letting the West take a hand. We talk a lot about our 'Global Society', but we aren't nearly as close to such a thing as we'd like to think, Koreas neighbours, China, Japan etc, should really be the ones to deal with the problem about of the two ends of Korea, but the problem is that it's like a big soap opera, all the countries involved aren't talking to each other because of grievances over wars, occupations etc, but at the end of the day, it's they who should be looking to sort the problem out.

Unfortunately, if Korea continue to impose on other countries and upset stability in the area, it may be needed for the West to be involved as well, but the ideal solution would be a local one, one word from China would certainly be enough to pull N.Korea up short, but it would also unbalance the leadership, which China are concerned about doing, it's bad enough having nutters living next door, a complete breakdown of the system would be worse, and many western powers would want to send in Policting actions, something China does not want that under any circumstances.

It is possible to defuse the problem, even now, but China doesn't need to simply be on board, it needs to be actively involved and forming the focus of external efforts to restore some kind of sanity to the situation. They are aware of how important 'face' is to leadership in this part of the world, it's not like the West, where leaders can be publically satirised or even disgraced and still maintain some level of influence, and people like the North Korean leadership would certainly adopt a 'scorched Earth' mentality if they felt they had been so.

 

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lets give south korea nukes. they got enough starcraft players that they would be more effective in their usage :D
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Offline Dilmah G

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Personally, I think the key here is with Seoul strengthening its ties with China. I do get the feeling that China are aware steps will have to be taken over North Korea's beligerance on the international stage, but they are very wary about letting the West take a hand. We talk a lot about our 'Global Society', but we aren't nearly as close to such a thing as we'd like to think, Koreas neighbours, China, Japan etc, should really be the ones to deal with the problem about of the two ends of Korea, but the problem is that it's like a big soap opera, all the countries involved aren't talking to each other because of grievances over wars, occupations etc, but at the end of the day, it's they who should be looking to sort the problem out.

Unfortunately, if Korea continue to impose on other countries and upset stability in the area, it may be needed for the West to be involved as well, but the ideal solution would be a local one, one word from China would certainly be enough to pull N.Korea up short, but it would also unbalance the leadership, which China are concerned about doing, it's bad enough having nutters living next door, a complete breakdown of the system would be worse, and many western powers would want to send in Policting actions, something China does not want that under any circumstances.

It is possible to defuse the problem, even now, but China doesn't need to simply be on board, it needs to be actively involved and forming the focus of external efforts to restore some kind of sanity to the situation. They are aware of how important 'face' is to leadership in this part of the world, it's not like the West, where leaders can be publically satirised or even disgraced and still maintain some level of influence, and people like the North Korean leadership would certainly adopt a 'scorched Earth' mentality if they felt they had been so.
I agree with you. Although if anything was going to happen, I'd rather it happens now and not further down the line where negotiations can turn into wars and this becomes a seriously delicate issue. Although this East/West thing is a little delicate in itself.