[67th GW Leader]

Right... here is my opinion on the Shivans

Did they just attack us... for a prehemptive strike? i mean, Destroy the virus before it gets into the body kinda thing... Terrans ARE known for being bloody idiots with war based technology... perhaps it is the same with the Ancients and Vasudans... Don't flame me if i am totally wrong please
I was thinking of having a group of Shivans ally with GTVA... but that is a totally different story.

[aldo_14]

The size and strength of the Shivans seems to negate that... but then again, look at the size and strength of the humble Aids or Ebola virus compared to a human being.

Possibly the Great War was an inital test of our strength - using mostly obsolete craft (as beams negate the lucifers shields, anyway) to try and get an easy victory.  

When it failed, the Shivans were a little more cautious, and a bit slower to enter GTVA space.  When they lost the Sathanas, they may have just decided that it wasn't worth the effort to fight a war, and 'cauterised' the wound - blowing up Capella.

[Ulundel]

*compares terran and shivan fleets*
Ummm...I don't think so. They just wanted to destroy us.

[LtNarol]

if they only wanted to destroy us, why would they stop at Capella, why wouldnt they fight on to the other systems?  They went straight to the star instead of the jumpnodes to Epsilon Pegasi and Vega.

My opinion is that they wanted to get out of there, the only question being where.

[Ulundel]

But when they just wanted to get out then why they didn't ask: "Yo good folks from earth. Could ya show us the way home"

Let me put it that way. If you're lost in a big-big city and want to find a hotel then you don't take a shotgun and shoot everyone but ask the way to your hotel.

[LtNarol]

who said they wanted to ask for directions?  maybe they just wanted to just blow up the Capella star and use the supernova to stabilize a node and warp out.  Notice the way they jumped in the last cutscene and Petrach's monologue.

[Ulundel]

OK, maybe you're right then. Still, they didn't have a reason to start a war with terrans.

BTW, it all comes out in TT (I won't make it the official solution of course, as I said it's playground. just a small battlegroup discovers what really happened. Small battlegroup=alpha 1, heheheh)

[Stunaep]

What if they didn't need a reason. If you are sawing down a tree, and a fleet of ants just happens to live on that tree, do you try to negotiate with the ants, to make them leave voluntarily, or saw down the tree anyway, wiping out the ants before, so not to hurt your hands that much.

And to Shivans we are nothing more than ants.

[IceFire]

Ego check: Capella was not about us.  That much is certain.

Ask yourselves.  How many Sathanas class juggernaughts would it take to break the GTVA defenses at either jump node?

If the GTVA got lucky and managed to beat one....bring on the 79 others.  No....Capella was not about us.  We were just in the way.

[7andmaN]

i agree with icefire
we were just on their way
probably the lucy fleet was just scouting the area
maybe they're searching for the nacinents' artifacts 'cause they're the only race in the universe that discovered their secrets so they're trying to clean all the clues to thier weaknesses and dominate the whole galaxy
maybe they're even from another galaxy and looking at their subspace tech it doesn't seem as impossible
but these are just ideas...

[CP5670]

My idea on this is that the Shivans probably have several distinct fleets going around in space ("nomads wandering the universe," as Petrarch said), each with a different purpose. Each of their big battle groups probably originated from the same starting point many millennia ago, but they had/have little or no contact with the other fleets, as shown by the similarities in their designs but also the differences in their technology. The purpose of the Lucifer fleet was to annihilate other species (first the Ancients, and then the Vasudans and Terrans), while the Sathanas fleet had an entirely different purpose; their short-term goal was to create a new jump node of sorts by destroying Capella. (this is what Petrarch said; it is only speculation, but it is also the only official V stuff we have, and these kind of things usually contain subtle indications of the truth ) As for their general long-term objective, I am not really too sure about that; maybe as Petrarch said, finding a way back to wherever they came from? Who knows...

[FSW]

Originally posted by IceFire
If the GTVA got lucky and managed to beat one....bring on the 79 others.  No....Capella was not about us.  We were just in the way.

Agreed. But I think the Shivans may have jumped a few more systems inwards and saughtered a few million GTVA people just for the fun of it.

[Stunaep]

Shivans are the mysterious xenophobic alien race we know almost nothing about. note the nothing - that includes their motives. But it is most likely certain, that Shivans DON'T have fun.

[IceFire]

Although we would classify them as xenophobic...they may not even be AWARE of us as much more than blades of grass or a weed that needs to be cut out.

[Zeronet]

I'd say ants that need stamping, comparing ppl to plants is dangerous.

[IceFire]

I used the plant analogy because we tend to view plants less as life than insects even when they are are fairly equal all things considered.

[Nico]

Originally posted by IceFire
I used the plant analogy because we tend to view plants less as life than insects even when they are are fairly equal all things considered.

well, it's sure they've noticed the apes and fishies, anyway. So I don't think they don't pay attention to them. But I agree the GTVA is not their main concern, far from that.

[Eishtmo]

BARB-E-QUE
BARB-E-QUE
BARB-E-QUE!!!!

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by 67th GW Leader
Right... here is my opinion on the Shivans

Did they just attack us... for a prehemptive strike? i mean, Destroy the virus before it gets into the body kinda thing... Terrans ARE known for being bloody idiots with war based technology... perhaps it is the same with the Ancients and Vasudans... Don't flame me if i am totally wrong please
I was thinking of having a group of Shivans ally with GTVA... but that is a totally different story.

Let me ask you this:  Do you feel threatened by the hot dog before you eat it? (A better analogy if you ask me)
Theres no way the Shivans were threatened by us. If they destroyed a species 10,000 years ago then they must have a hell of a survival plan if they are still around.

[LtNarol]

a few juggernauts supported with 12 or so Ravanas and 24ish Rakshasas, with fighter and bomber support could have easily wiped out the entire GTVA.  Just how long does a Hecate last against a Sathanas?