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Offline Stunaep

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Reply #40 on: May 02, 2002, 08:19:04 am
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Originally posted by Razor


If we were ants to the Shivans, we wouldn't be able to destroy their ultimate ship, SJ Sathanas.

But there is one more thing that puzzles me. How did :snipe:s know that those 9 SJs were heading towards Capella?


Big deal. There are poisonous ants capable of killing humans, right.

Oh and about the snipes thingy. Well, there were two subspace nodes: knossos 3 and the one from knossos 2. where else could they be going. If they were converging on the Capella star, it would seem logical.
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Reply #41 on: May 02, 2002, 08:20:49 am
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Originally posted by aldo_14


well,  your dealing with a different mindset for the Shivans... whilst GTVA ships tend to focus around covering flanks, the Shivans proably prefer to be able to deliver a devastating blow from their preferred angle.  It's unlikely a Sath would be half as dangerous to ships if its beams were spread out onto the sides.  It armour is good enough to buy it time to maneuver, anyway.


Agreed. Look at the Cain/Lilith, the Ravana, the Sathanas (duh).Even the Lucifer. The only exception is the Demon, but that was from FS1 anyway. The Demon is obsolete.
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Offline LtNarol

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Reply #42 on: May 02, 2002, 12:13:14 pm
Demon is far from obselete, the the Ravana can cover he own flanks, unless a ship were to drop into her aftertrail.
 

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Reply #43 on: May 02, 2002, 01:25:14 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire

I still think its a warship, but your on the right track.  I don't think the Sathanas is JUST a warship.  I think it shows how advanced Shivans really are when we actually look at the largest ship we know them to have and realize that it may be a warship as an afterthought.


Well, it's definately a bloody good sentry gun :)
 

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Reply #44 on: May 02, 2002, 02:42:04 pm
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Originally posted by Analazon
ok...you guys seem to be missing a rather important point here...

we fired first

the shivans actually never went out of their way in any [V] stuff to kill terrans, unless to keep them out of their way. Bottom line IMHO, if we had stayed out of their way and let them go to capella, we wouldn't have lost half the ships we did lose.

On why they didn't say 'yo dudes from earth?', well, mebby they were, and Bosch was the only one who heard...


That, Analazon, has always been my theory on the Shivans. I totally agree with you. Watch Hall Fight: who attacks first?
  

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Reply #45 on: May 02, 2002, 02:51:01 pm
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That, Analazon, has always been my theory on the Shivans. I totally agree with you. Watch Hall Fight: who attacks first?


:wtf:
there's no proof that we attacked fisrt in FS1 or before.
in the hallfight scene, sure, they were running at the marines for a good hand shake :p.

And about that capella stuff, too bad the system was entirely coloniozed, right? we should have left the system and let them blow up the star :p
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Reply #46 on: May 02, 2002, 02:59:19 pm
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Originally posted by LtNarol
Demon is far from obselete, the the Ravana can cover he own flanks, unless a ship were to drop into her aftertrail.

The main Shivan destroyers: SD Demon SD Lucifer and SD Ravana all seem to have totally different purposes.
The Demon's primary function seems to be fighter and bomber launching.  Whereas the Lucifer can wipe out an entire fleet if necessary.  The Ravana seems to be a combination of the two being a formidable weapon against GTVA battle groups
But this is just what I think
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Reply #47 on: May 02, 2002, 04:35:53 pm
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That, Analazon, has always been my theory on the Shivans. I totally agree with you. Watch Hall Fight: who attacks first?


YES! someone who agrees with me!

I knew there had to be one or two out there ;)
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Reply #48 on: May 02, 2002, 05:09:28 pm
Going back to Bosch and ETAK for a minute...How did Bosch know that what he sent was a message of peace? Was ETAK a translator or just a message sender based on intercepted Shivan messages? Maybe Bosch thought he was saying something peaceful but in fact said something hostile.
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Reply #49 on: May 03, 2002, 07:41:04 am
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Going back to Bosch and ETAK for a minute...How did Bosch know that what he sent was a message of peace? Was ETAK a translator or just a message sender based on intercepted Shivan messages? Maybe Bosch thought he was saying something peaceful but in fact said something hostile.


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Reply #50 on: May 03, 2002, 09:14:06 am
I think a point everyone misses in saying that if we had just quietly left Cappella the Shivans wouldn't have bothered us is the fact that they kept hitting the convoy's leaving the system. If they really didn't care about us, then they only would have killed what was absolutely necessary to achieve their goal of blowing up the star, but they didn't. They went after all the civilian convoys with huge waves of fighters and bombers, which even given the Shivan armada seems like a waste resources. If ants were invading your house, and you stomped a few big ones and then they all turned and left, you wouldn't bother to chase after them.
 

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Reply #51 on: May 03, 2002, 09:52:06 am
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I think a point everyone misses in saying that if we had just quietly left Cappella the Shivans wouldn't have bothered us is the fact that they kept hitting the convoy's leaving the system. If they really didn't care about us, then they only would have killed what was absolutely necessary to achieve their goal of blowing up the star, but they didn't. They went after all the civilian convoys with huge waves of fighters and bombers, which even given the Shivan armada seems like a waste resources. If ants were invading your house, and you stomped a few big ones and then they all turned and left, you wouldn't bother to chase after them.


Hmmm... If some ants goes away, more will come to get the thing they want :nod:
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Reply #52 on: May 03, 2002, 10:57:29 am
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Big deal. There are poisonous ants capable of killing humans, right.

Oh and about the snipes thingy. Well, there were two subspace nodes: knossos 3 and the one from knossos 2. where else could they be going. If they were converging on the Capella star, it would seem logical.


Maybe they planned on stopping for gas in the nebula ;)

Or maybe they came for a Shivan reunion.... :D

Also, there are at least three jumps to Capella from their position. They could've been going anywhere: Gamma Draconis, the nebula, or they could've just stayed in that system.

Plus, remember that there is no star in Gamma Draconis? Capella was the next system with a star, so that was obviously going to be the next nebula!
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Reply #53 on: May 03, 2002, 11:16:13 am
Gamma Draconis HAS a star, it does not have planets, but it has to have a star, otherwise it would not be a STAR system.

Anyway, since they DID go to Capella, what's the point in arguing.
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Reply #54 on: May 03, 2002, 12:08:14 pm
I guess the point is to determine how Snipes was able to predict the future. :D Still, Capella was the only inhabited system out of the locations they could have gone to, and the first one went to Capella, so it would be logical reasoning that the others might do the same. ;)
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