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Offline Marcov

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GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
Some evidences support this question.

Firstly, in the second mission (The Place of Chariots), Beta wing is ordered to scan NTF cargo boxes, which, mysteriously, is unscannable. It is possible that Allied Command jammed the devices of those Terran fighters or something, since they didn't want to reveal ETAK yet; if ETAK is immediately discovered, Command'll have to order the Alliance to diminish this project, or else Command will sound ridicolous. Command only reveals it later in the game, once it's already completed and ready for use on the Shivans.

Secondly, in the third mission (The Romans Blunder), Alpha 2 argues that the Alliance hasn't set a blockade on the node. It seems somehow obvious that Command's reply is fake (they say that the blockade has been sent elswhere in the system to do important business), since swerving away from the destruction of a hostile flagship is an illogical tactic to perform.

Moreover, Bosch actually says his famous line:
Quote from: Aken Bosch
"I regret your efforts to intercept us have failed, pilots. You would be well advised to question the wisdom of your leaders.

Bosch regrets that Alpha and Beta wing have failed in their mission to intercept his ship, most probably, since Command didn't want the Iceni to be destroyed in the first place. Bosch advises the player to "question the wisdom of the leaders", which further supports the theory that Command intentionally allowed Bosch to succeed in his communication of the Shivans. To "question the wisdom of your leaders" means that Command's wisdom may have been mistaken in the eyes of mere pilots, and that the real information, which was to allow Bosch to succeed, is top secret.

Why top secret? Of course, Command wouldn't want the populace to find out that they're actually supporting the enemy. To explain why communication with a nemesis that attacks for no reason, and killed billions of innocent lives, will be completely unheard of and tremendously hard to explain.

These are two logical evidences that I've picked up on supporting this statement of Command allowing Bosch to use his ETAK.
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Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
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Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
They let Bosch escape to allow him to finish ETAK so they could steal it later, which is why there's no missions involving chasing him until later.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
Probably the main point is that Bosch was actually good luck for the GTVA since he's one guy who looks hostile and communicates to Shivans, giving the GTVA benefit whilst stopping the masses from cursing Command for their intentions on Bosch.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
yeah we've known this for ten years or so, it's a pretty clever bit of implied storytelling on V's part

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
Other instances include the miraculous coincidence of the Colossus powering-down in "Endgame" as well as Command ordering the 203rd not to engage the Iceni in "Speaking in Tongues".

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
At first I thought the GTVA were actually afraid of the Iceni. If it was related to ETAK, believed to be a weapon of mass destruction, it also was a powerful opponent to face in battle. For the record, it may have pulverized the task force sent to blockade the Sirius jump node in Deneb.

Obviously, this doesn't explain many other episodes, but IMHO it's still worth some consideration.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
At first I thought the GTVA were actually afraid of the Iceni. If it was related to ETAK, believed to be a weapon of mass destruction, it also was a powerful opponent to face in battle. For the record, it may have pulverized the task force sent to blockade the Sirius jump node in Deneb.

Obviously, this doesn't explain many other episodes, but IMHO it's still worth some consideration.
It's not worth any consideration since there were no debris present when the player jumps in and command tells you the blockade force had been moved away.

Saying it was because they feared the Iceni would be an inconsistency more than anything.
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<batwota> wow
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
yeah the iceni definitely didn't blow up the blockade, command let bosch escape

fortunately we can all live with being pawns because the game makes sense

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
I was refering to a risk, not a known fact. Command may have moved the task force away because the GTVA were afraid of ETAK.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
At first I thought the GTVA were actually afraid of the Iceni. If it was related to ETAK, believed to be a weapon of mass destruction, it also was a powerful opponent to face in battle.

This part is relevant regardless. Unlikely, but relevant. Certainly that was the tale the GTVA was spinning to people at the point of fire; if some of them reacted to it that way, I would not be surprised.

It's also not necessarily certain the Command, as in the guy who speaks to you, really knew anything more than you did.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
I've always wondered what that deep voiced black guy's job really was, I mean was he the CinC of the GTVA armada or just a lowly dispatch?

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
I think he was just a comms officer, admiral won't bother with talking to fighter pilots.

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
I too believe it was a comms officer. Just notice how many times he says "we"... doesn't really sound like the guy who decides what to do.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
But at the same time comms officers are not lowely. The fighteres decide the fate of most capital ships, and even destroyers in some big battles. Its not too unlikely that the Captain or Admiral of a cap ship would speak directly with the fighter pilots giving them real time instructions in what to target etc.
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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
Well, it happens in Admiral Petrarch's case.
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Offline Dragon

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
Admirals have better things to do most of the time.

 

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Executive officer?

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
He may have been third fleet command's liason to the Aquitaine or something, explains why you only ever got the one command guy.
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
He was probably one of these guys.

 

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Re: GTVA wanted Bosch to succeed in his plan (?)
I think that that black guy is really a comms officer, and that Admirals don't really speak to pilots since they were busy doing paperwork or something, or, while fighting, the Admiral is too busy commanding his gunners and crew.

Also, Command is always referred to as a "they", so it's obvious that the guy you see onscreen is simply a communications guy, and Command is an entire structure of GTVA personnel.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI