[Buckshee Rounds]

ML-16 does zero shield damage, so no.

I'm pretty sure it does like a teensy weensy bit of shield damage. Hold on I'll check the wiki...

0.5 damage to shields. That probably means it's less than the recharge rate right? Speaking of which I agree with Snail's comment above.

[General Battuta]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that getting every able spearman in Neolithic France isn't going to stop an MBT

Not really comparable, given that shield is not really armor and plasma guns aren't spears. But if you want to get technical, bash a armored vehicle with a hammer long enough and hard enough...and it WILL get destroyed. Sure, it might take 10000000000000000000000000000000000 hits

you're right, something will get destroyed, and it's the hammer

[MatthTheGeek]

It's possible to kill shielded fighters with only ML-16, I did it. You need to pound it for a ****ton long time, and constantly, and it's much easier on low difficulties, but its feasible. Things go muuuuuuuuuch quicker if you just unload Furies on it. Also, note that Disruptors do slightly more shield dps than ML-16.

[Snail]

It's possible to kill shielded fighters with only ML-16, I did it. You need to pound it for a ****ton long time, and constantly, and it's much easier on low difficulties, but its feasible. Things go muuuuuuuuuch quicker if you just unload Furies on it. Also, note that Disruptors do slightly more shield dps than ML-16.

Maybe on Very Easy, but I'm pretty certain that's impossible on any other difficulty. 0.5 has got to be less than the recharge rate, and that's assuming you're firing at it constantly and never giving it a chance to regain any ground, which is unlikely given the maneuverability of most Shivan fighters (and even the worst Shivan fighter in FS1, the Basilisk, had a ****ton of shield points; same with the Shaitan). I don't think it's possible let alone feasible on the higher difficulties.

[Marcov]

No weapon in the GTVA arsenal can penetrate the Lucy's shields. Oh, but debris don't count as weapons, do they?

[Androgeos Exeunt]

They could be, but they are weapons of mass, in the same sense as missiles being weapons of mass. Unless you chuck debris the size and quantity of a Sathanas, I doubt you could damage the Lucy with debris.

[Marcov]

Debris ignore shields, if I'm not mistaken.

Debris can kill a Sathanas, so it's obvious that they can kill the Lucifer, too.

[Dilmah G]

Uh, dude, the Sathanas didn't have shields, remember?

[TrashMan]

I somehow have a feeling that the Lucifer's shields had a recharge rate that was faster than the damage output of the Terran/Vasudan combined fleet.

Had to believe. After all, FS ships have fusion reactors. That's a LOT of big and small fusion reactors working together. Lucy had only 5. Even if they were anti-matter, the efficiency difference (matter-to-energy conversion efficiency of fusion is roughly 60& IIRC) isn't enough to offset the numerical advantage.

If we are to generously assume a lucy reactor has a 10 time bigger output than a terran one, that still mean 51 terran reactors will outperorm lucifer.

[T-LoW]

You know that you're talking about theoretical theory here?

Aren't these Mesonreactors? I think I read this somewhere...

[Marcov]

Uh, dude, the Sathanas didn't have shields, remember?

Debris ignore shields, if I'm not mistaken.

[Dilmah G]

Okay, my bad.

[General Battuta]

I somehow have a feeling that the Lucifer's shields had a recharge rate that was faster than the damage output of the Terran/Vasudan combined fleet.

Had to believe. After all, FS ships have fusion reactors. That's a LOT of big and small fusion reactors working together. Lucy had only 5. Even if they were anti-matter, the efficiency difference (matter-to-energy conversion efficiency of fusion is roughly 60& IIRC)

ahahahahahahahahah

you do not remember correctly

the reason I laugh is because the conversion efficiency is not 60%, it is .3%

[Marcov]

Had to believe. After all, FS ships have fusion reactors. That's a LOT of big and small fusion reactors working together. Lucy had only 5. Even if they were anti-matter, the efficiency difference (matter-to-energy conversion efficiency of fusion is roughly 60& IIRC) isn't enough to offset the numerical advantage.

If we are to generously assume a lucy reactor has a 10 time bigger output than a terran one, that still mean 51 terran reactors will outperorm lucifer.

However, both protagonist races can't afford to throw in a force large enough to take down the Lucy's shields in hyperspace. And, hell, the zods had 8,000 Bakhas, which is already a rare type of bomber. So that means thousands of gigaton-class warheads can't penetrate Lucy shields, thus making it simply unstoppable to non-beam armed forces.

But I think it's rather funny that, considering the statement you said, the Lucy can supply a shield that can hold back that much firepower. Well, its explosion collapsed a node, so that means it has at least the power of an Orion filled up with meson bombs. Not that much, considering the Lucy can probably hold off thousands (or at least hundreds) of Harbingers in hyperspace.

[Dragon]

Bakha is an FS2 design, not to mention nowhere is it stated that it's rare (and they have 6000 of them), quite the opposite, actually (...it's a craft of choice for attacking cruisers and corvettes...). We don't see them too often, but then, we don't see any Vasudan bombers too often (Sekhmet, the second FS2 Vasudan bomber was in one secret mission).

[TrashMan]

I somehow have a feeling that the Lucifer's shields had a recharge rate that was faster than the damage output of the Terran/Vasudan combined fleet.

Had to believe. After all, FS ships have fusion reactors. That's a LOT of big and small fusion reactors working together. Lucy had only 5. Even if they were anti-matter, the efficiency difference (matter-to-energy conversion efficiency of fusion is roughly 60& IIRC)

ahahahahahahahahah

you do not remember correctly

the reason I laugh is because the conversion efficiency is not 60%, it is .3%

After a bit of looking around, it seems you're wrong too. The lowest number I ran across is 0,7% And the highest number is totally wrong.

Alright, we can assume increased efficiency in the future. Not sure by how much.

BUT even if  Lucy's reactor are 100 times more efficient, it still leaves another problem (if looking at this realisticly. Which is a bit pointless, but fun). Heat. The amount of waste heat generated by the Lucy should be so high that the ship would vaporize/melt. Cooked lobster for dinner anyone?

Either way, assuming damage done in hyperspace by at the attack, and reduced shield performance, a mass attack should do something. And when I say mass attack, I don't just mean capships fireing blobs. While reactors are good at producing energy, there are more efficient ways of concetrated energy release. Like bombs.
Lucy being pelted by harbingers, tsunamies, regular missiles, plasma and laser fire along with fire support from capships.

[General Battuta]

no, we can't assume increased efficiency, because the conversion efficiency is part of the fundamental laws of nature

[TrashMan]

I mean overall efficiency. Not just in power production, but power transfer.

But then again, the shivies probably also have increased efficiency in that regard, so I guess it evens out again

[Drogoth]

On the topic of throwing massive weight of ships at the Lucifer, what about briefing after Tombaugh? I'm probably not quoting correctly because it's been awhile, but didn't wolf say

"Multiple Terran and Vasudan cruisers and destroyers engaged the lucifer, and were wiped out quickly, all attacks from the nearby installations have been defeated" < definitely not a perfect quote, but the idea is there. Point being, Tombaugh was 'a fortress' and came across as the major bastion of  GTA power short of earth itself. And the Lucifer came, destroyed, and wasn't even scratched. Ditto to Vasuda prime. If the Lucifer can walk into the strongest systems in GTA/PVN space without being harmed then I find the idea that everyone teaming up together could harm the lucifer to be laughable at best

[TrashMan]

Unlike the shields on the Shivan fighters and bombers, this shield appears impervious, not merely resistant, to all of our weapons.

AND

We've just received some discouraging news from Terran Command, pilots. At 0300 today, after the captured Taranis was towed to Tombaugh installation in the Ribos system, the Shivans staged a major ambush. There isn't a lot of confirmation from the footage yet, but it's clear that a Shivan destroyer of massive proportions jumped in and destroyed Tombaugh station, along with all its defenses. We have designated this new class of Destroyer "Lucifer".

Debris from the station is still falling from orbit on Ribos 4.

Terran and Vasudan fighters and cruisers engaged the Lucifer, but were wiped out quickly. Footage suggests that the Lucifer was using a new type of shield, impervious to any of our attacks. Needless to say, this is grim news. If the Shivans indeed have managed to shield a vessel of that magnitude, it's merely a matter of time before they wipe out all front-line installations and march through to our home systems.

Fighters and cruisers. This was also before the Harbringer bomb.

Adding more guns is (IMHO), in this case similar to increasing the caliber of a gun. Tank armor won't be scratched by 5.56, 7,62 mm etc...as you keep increasing the caliber, up until it reaches a certain treshold, the armor will shrug it off.

In other words, increase hte pressure more and more, and after a certain point, the shield will collapse.