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Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
We do need moderators, it's obvious. However, the admins should be much more selective in granting moderating rights. If a so-called "moderator" is a self-obsessed, intolerant twat, then he has nothing to do among the moderators. They give a very bad impression about the forum and the community as a whole.

And we also need a lot more bans to get trolls and flamers out of the way.
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Re: Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
We do need moderators, it's obvious. However, the admins should be much more selective in granting moderating rights. If a so-called "moderator" is a self-obsessed, intolerant twat, then he has nothing to do among the moderators. They give a very bad impression about the forum and the community as a whole.

And we also need a lot more bans to get trolls and flamers out of the way.

I ask this as a genuine personal favor: could you lay off The_E and maybe send something kind his way? I think he would appreciate it right now. He's a human being too.

 

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He's a human being too.

He didn't show humanity to Deka, Mika, and the one guy who tried to help, was wrong, and was told by The E "to stop further attempts at troubleshooting." Not quite a moderator-like attitude, at all.
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He's a human being too.

He didn't show humanity to Deka, Mika, and the one guy who tried to help, was wrong, and was told by The E "to stop further attempts at troubleshooting." Not quite a moderator-like attitude, at all.

He can definitely be blunt, he knows this, he's not always happy about it. But in the scope of things, these are minor slights on a forum about a video game. I don't know how much he wants me to say but what the hell, he's not having the greatest time right now, and enmity from anyone, even a person on a forum about a video game, really doesn't help. Compassion does.

 

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He can definitely be blunt, he knows this, he's not always happy about it.

Then why post at all? Or pay attention to what he posts? Don't tell me that writing "**** off" or "complete and utter ****" doesn't strike him as too offensive.

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these are minor slights on a forum about a video game.

So, destroying four years of hard work, plus ruining Mika's fanfic are minor slights? I probably wouldn't even mention him, but it is not GenDisc where he's causing trouble. He attacks community members through their CONTRIBUTIONS to FreeSpace modding.
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Re: Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
This clearly isn't going to go anywhere productive, compassionate or helpful. This makes me sad.

 

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Re: Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
I haven't seen the thread involved, but I do recall that, with regards to models, there used to be an expectation that if you put up a model for public inspection, you had to expect the rough as well as the smooth. People used to actively defend that position, that criticism, both positive and negative were allowed so long as it was constructive.

If people were providing constructive criticism, i.e. suggesting other options, explaining their opinions etc, then it is up to the author how they recieve that criticism.

However, as I said before, I haven't seen the thread involved, so I cannot comment beyond that.

 

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these are minor slights on a forum about a video game.

So, destroying four years of hard work, plus ruining Mika's fanfic are minor slights?

In a word, yes.

You enlist a reviewer for the strength of their cruelty, not because they are a kind or nice person. If something is in fact a horribly buggy piece of **** and the people reviewing it are not willing to tell you so, they have done you a great disservice.

And I can't even find Mika's fanfic to discuss this with you. How old are the grudges you are holding on someone else's behalf, here? Six months at least?
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Relentless was....not finished. Anyone could have pointed that out and thereby destroyed it. The_E had nothing to do with it; log on to IRC and ask 'is relentless good' and...well, you'll see. The_E did not do that.

Mika never even wrote a FreeSpace fanfic.  :confused:

 

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Perhaps he means 'Mikes?' :confused:

 

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My community contributions - Get my campaigns from here.

I already announced my retirement twice, yet here I am. If I bring up that topic again, don't believe a word.

 

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That's not a fanfic, it's just a piece of writing - fanfic in English means a piece of writing done in a setting created by someone else, usually fictional.

The_E's response was also pretty detailed and well-thought-out; he critiques specific portions and addresses the flaws in them in a way I'd expect in any writer's workshop (and I've done a few.) He also responded reasonably and generously to you:

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First of all, if I am posting on a thread like this, I am acting as a normal board member first. You, and anyone else, are free to rip me or my posts apart as much as you feel necessary. I promise I won't take it personal. Much. If you really think I crossed a line, that's what the report function is for.

showing more consideration for your position than you're showing for his.

 

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Which is why that thread was one of the very few in the last few months that I have felt I had to lock. At the start of page 7 I asked people to calm down, by the bottom of the page, everyone was getting heated again, so I locked it. It wasn't a comment on anyone posting, it was just that fact that this was obviously not a topic that people could discuss calmly, the difference of opinion was too strong.

 

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No, Mika. here
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The problems pointed out were cognizant and a number of them appeared to intentional ad hoc assumptions headed towards "chosen to pretend to believe" territory. I do not know anyone who responds well to that.

Only one of the accusations leveled at Mika did he actively and conclusively deny, and it belonged to me. He did honestly remind me of Hemmingway, and it apparently was not intentional. This was accepted and we moved on.
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Re: Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
Sorry to drag this back up, but this needs a reply, I think.

We do need moderators, it's obvious. However, the admins should be much more selective in granting moderating rights. If a so-called "moderator" is a self-obsessed, intolerant twat, then he has nothing to do among the moderators. They give a very bad impression about the forum and the community as a whole.

And we also need a lot more bans to get trolls and flamers out of the way.

Self-obsessed twat, yes, that's me. I do take exception to "intolerant" though.


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He can definitely be blunt, he knows this, he's not always happy about it.

Then why post at all? Or pay attention to what he posts? Don't tell me that writing "**** off" or "complete and utter ****" doesn't strike him as too offensive.

Of course it's ****ing offensive. That's the bloody point.

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these are minor slights on a forum about a video game.

So, destroying four years of hard work, plus ruining Mika's fanfic are minor slights? I probably wouldn't even mention him, but it is not GenDisc where he's causing trouble. He attacks community members through their CONTRIBUTIONS to FreeSpace modding.

Wait, so mentioning bugs in a campaign release and providing fixes for the issues found, and offering to help with the fixing counts as "destroying four years of hard work"? I do seem to recall that I even helped to fix errors in YOUR campaign. You know, the one that you want everyone to forget about.
Second, if criticizing someone else's fiction on the basis of writing style and content is "ruining" it, then I will gladly obliterate any writing you happen to throw my way.
Same goes for Infamus' "contributions" to BP canon, where I provided a comprehensive critique after being called out on being overly dismissive (I believe that's what you referring to). You might also be referring to one of the several "Stormy Fairweather has a problem with being moderated" threads, in which I believe the reaction was somewhat justified.
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Wait, so mentioning bugs in a campaign release and providing fixes for the issues found, and offering to help with the fixing counts as "destroying four years of hard work"?

Interesting that there were others who reported the campaign was playable with the intended build. You went straight for the _d build.

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I do seem to recall that I even helped to fix errors in YOUR campaign.

Having some small PCX files isn't an error. It's an error in your book, but the campaign was perfectly playable, with and without your "fixes." Those aren't huge skyboxes that I included in BMP format, but a couple mostly 64x64/128x128 old maps. It's so typical of you that you opened the VP files just to find these "errors." You were interested to further your "perfect releases" agenda, not in playing the campaign.

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Second, if criticizing someone else's fiction on the basis of writing style and content is "ruining" it

The problem is the way you put your criticism. It's not the content of what you said, but its style.

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then I will gladly obliterate any writing you happen to throw my way.

As if it were any different with anyone else's fiction, or any contribution to the community. You continue to show zero tolerance to anything and anyone that doesn't meet your narrow, egocentric standards. If the thread needs to burn because of The E's dislike and his all-pertaining hatred for other human beings, then so be it.

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Same goes for Infamus' "contributions" to BP canon, where I provided a comprehensive critique after being called out on being overly dismissive (I believe that's what you referring to).

I have no idea what you're referring to.
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Wow, this is just uncalled for and cruel. TopAce, you're better than this. The man is (redacted for The_E's privacy?) and all you can do is talk about what a **** person he is?

He has every right in the world to point out technical problems; how can people learn to avoid mistakes unless they're told about them?

 

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Re: Reopening Old Wounds - Split from GD Moderation Policies
I will continue to speak to The E like this. As soon as he starts to show respect to others, so will I start to show respect for him. Interesting that his comments ("**** off," "bull****," "refrain from troubleshooting") aren't construed as uncalled for and cruel.
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He does and he has, he's even made it perfectly clear he's open to criticism from you, something I doubt you'd offer him. Is this some kind of vendetta because he did something to you? What's actually going on here?

 

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Wait, so mentioning bugs in a campaign release and providing fixes for the issues found, and offering to help with the fixing counts as "destroying four years of hard work"?

Interesting that there were others who reported the campaign was playable with the intended build. You went straight for the _d build.

Yes. Because I sort of expect any release to be reasonably tested and warning- and error-free. Because, as you may recall, I am a developer and one of the troubleshooters here. Less errors in released campaigns means less work trying to figure out why users have problems.


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I do seem to recall that I even helped to fix errors in YOUR campaign.

Having some small PCX files isn't an error. It's an error in your book, but the campaign was perfectly playable, with and without your "fixes." Those aren't huge skyboxes that I included in BMP format, but a couple mostly 64x64/128x128 old maps. It's so typical of you that you opened the VP files just to find these "errors." You were interested to further your "perfect releases" agenda, not in playing the campaign.

Arguably true. Because, arrogant human being that I am, I sort of expect people to follow the same quality standards that I have. And, again, I am a developer. I will go into the nuts and bolts of technical stuff at the drop of a hat.

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Second, if criticizing someone else's fiction on the basis of writing style and content is "ruining" it

The problem is the way you put your criticism. It's not the content of what you said, but its style.

Right. Unlike mika, whom you have chosen to defend from the evil, power-abusing asshole that I seem to be in your eyes, I prefer clarity of expression and directness over being nice for the sake of not hurting feelings. It's an approach that, while certainly not the most polite, is also remarkably devoid of misunderstandings. Which is something that I believe to be a good thing.

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then I will gladly obliterate any writing you happen to throw my way.

As if it were any different with anyone else's fiction, or any contribution to the community. You continue to show zero tolerance to anything and anyone that doesn't meet your narrow, egocentric standards. If the thread needs to burn because of The E's dislike and his all-pertaining hatred for other human beings, then so be it.

Completely true. I have narrow definitions of what is good and what is not, and I will continue to apply them.

HOWEVER.

You make it sound as if I would pop up in every release thread, always being negative, always needlessly bad-mouthing stuff. I submit to you that that is not the ****ing case. You make it sound as if I am using my position as Global Moderator, or my badge collection, as hammers to bludgeon any word of dissent. While I certainly am biased towards seeing myself in a good light, I do not believe that to be the case.

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Same goes for Infamus' "contributions" to BP canon, where I provided a comprehensive critique after being called out on being overly dismissive (I believe that's what you referring to).

I have no idea what you're referring to.

You don't? I would have thought that, in your self-appointed job of raging on behalf of those wronged by me, you surely would have noticed this.
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