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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/18/obama.no.fly/?hpt=T1

In other words- the US carriers at the Libyan coast were just a bluff, waste of time, money and fuel.

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Cease fire my arse


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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
He's a dictator, what else would you expect from him?
He's pretty sure that without the US having a strong president who actually wants to do something, this whole peace keeping operation will fail.

However with a few other countries teaming up, Kaddafi might still get his @$$ kicked, and so they deserve our support.

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Well, as of about an hour ago, the French Air Force have started playing tank whack-a-mole. So the asskicking has already commenced. The only trouble being that, for obvious reasons, they can't really get at any Libyan forces already inside Benghazi... but to make up for that they're apparently planning to explosively disassemble anything south or west of Benghazi that looks even vaguely like it might be Libyan Army or Air Force-related. Including such things as bases, support apparatus etc.
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
France has fought with Libya before. Back then they only had Crusaders on their carrier.

However on a more practical note, I think we may be overestimating the remaining control Mr. Q/K/G has. He armed the citizenry and turned loose the security forces to wreak havoc, and now they're wreaking havoc. I am not sure he can stop the violence if he wants to.
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Obama sure took his time before joining the conflict.

The only trouble being that, for obvious reasons, they can't really get at any Libyan forces already inside Benghazi...

Well, guess the rebels will have to visit their local marketplace and buy up RPG's for cheaper than a laptop

And since the US are finally doing something more than just talking:
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Obama sure took his time before joining the conflict.

I have it on mildly decent authority that they were doing a very quick update on the Tomahawk terminal homing images before they did this.
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Obama sure took his time before joining the conflict.

Rightfully so, it's not like we've done well with regards to democratizing nations like this recently. I'm just thankful that we're going to avoid sending ground troops.

 
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In other words- the US carriers at the Libyan coast were just a bluff, waste of time, money and fuel.


Uhm. What carriers? The Enterprise never left the Red Sea, and the Kearsarge is an amphibious carrier without a full compliment and coming off a recent deployment.
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I'm just thankful that we're going to avoid sending ground troops.

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
We don't need ground troops. We've spent the last decade using the absurdly huge military budget developing stupid-powerful long-range precision combat weaponry. The U.S. military is entirely capable of crippling Gadhafi's military without a single soldier setting foot in Libya. The only question is how much of that military Obama is willing to utilize.

 

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
A proportion of the sixth fleet, combined with the efforts of Italy and France will do just fine. Keep in mind, we're supporting a no fly zone and damaging anti-air targets. We're not actually fighting the rebel's war entirely.

 

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we are also blowing up tanks and artillery and anything else we feel like.
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KNOCK ON WOOD! KNOCK ON WOOD!

The Army's never going overseas again after Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all but a certainty.
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they will after 20 years.
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
KNOCK ON WOOD! KNOCK ON WOOD!

The Army's never going overseas again after Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all but a certainty.

The Army's never going overseas again after Vietnam.  It's all but a certainty.

 

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Apparently RAF Tornadoes did some damage with Stormshadows this morning. Heard about Loyalists shooting down their own Flogger too, with a loss of pilot.

On a lighter note. :D

 

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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
The Army's never going overseas again after Vietnam.  It's all but a certainty.

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing you've ever posted. Vietnam did not reveal anything about the deployability of large-scale military forces. In fact, it strongly supported that it could be done over a very long period. The only damage Vietnam did was to morale. The only thing it taught was that the US could put people out there that long but not accomplish anything without a clear objective.

Iraq and Afghanistan have, by contrasted, stretched the United States Army to and quite possibly beyond the breaking point. They've revealed extreme problems in personnel and procurement over that length of time that probably can't be fixed with the context of the existing military structure. They've revealed the paucity of the ability to meet expeditionary logistical demands over the long term. And finally, they've simply cost far too much in terms of raw capital. We can't afford to carry out another campaign like that. That they nearly tore the soul of out the Army again is just icing on an ass-shaped cake.

The age of the long-term combat deployment, barring the outbreak of a truly life-or-death struggle, is over. Iraq and Afghanistan sealed what most people had long suspected: a long war is simply no longer affordable. The United States was and is literally the last nation on Earth who could even attempt one at that scale for that period of time, and it will not get cheaper. Eventually the cost rises too high even for the US.
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Re: Excrement Impacts Ventilation Apparatus, Part 3: Libya
Overseas != long-term deployment.

Other than that, you obviously know more of what you're talking about than I do.