[Firstdragon34]

I'm humming Jeremy Soule's Battlefield tune right now. =)

[Achillion]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

[Firstdragon34]

What do you mean 'The Origin thing?' Do you mean Dragon Age: Origins? Please specify, thank you.

[Achillion]

For some reason I thought it was mentioned already in the thread somewhere; I was mistaken.

I've noticed a few people on other forums and blogs being put off by the fact that BF3 will require Origin (the new EA digital game distribution platform) and because it wont be available on Steam. I'm sure everyone who's complained about it will eventually buy the game anyway (kinda like what happened to MW2), but I was curious if anyone here has any feelings about it.

[Firstdragon34]

I'll have to research it, but in the meantime look up Play! A video game symphony live! on youtube and find the Battlefield theme. It is just awesome. Trust me. ^^

[achtung]

For some reason I thought it was mentioned already in the thread somewhere; I was mistaken.

I've noticed a few people on other forums and blogs being put off by the fact that BF3 will require Origin (the new EA digital game distribution platform) and because it wont be available on Steam. I'm sure everyone who's complained about it will eventually buy the game anyway (kinda like what happened to MW2), but I was curious if anyone here has any feelings about it.

It's making me have strong second thoughts. I know I won't be pre-ordering, at the very least.

[Firstdragon34]

Battlefield 3 is sounding like one heck of a game, maybe it will surpass Crysis 2; in graphics and physics.

[achtung]

Battlefield 3 is sounding like one heck of a game, maybe it will surpass Crysis 2; in graphics and physics.

And maybe Origin will surpass Games For Windows Live in "garbage" factor. I'll just wait and see.

[Firstdragon34]

I had my expectations with Crysis 2 and it was awesome, but the water detail and enviroment destruction was cool, but Cryengine 3 was a let down. I hope DICE is better then Crytek.

[MR_T3D]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

[IceFire]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

That's my take as well. The scariest part of the Origin EULA was changed anyways.

Whatever the case it... EULA's tend to suck no matter who wrote them. I want to play BF3... I'll deal with Origin if I have to. To be honest it doesn't seem like a big deal. Yeah it's yet another system/store thing that you have to keep track of. But eh...

[Firstdragon34]

Hopefully the DRM won't be a problem, you'll most likey have to activate you game via internet.

[Ravenholme]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

Hmmm, I have them both set to start on my system booting up and Steam consistently beats Origin to starting up. That, and I can't find the option to tell Origin NOT to load on system start up, which is bloody infuriating.

[Grizzly]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

Hmmm, I have them both set to start on my system booting up and Steam consistently beats Origin to starting up. That, and I can't find the option to tell Origin NOT to load on system start up, which is bloody infuriating.

Msconfig? I thought I found the option rather quickly in Origin itself, but if all else fails, just type 'msconfig' into your start menu.

Steam booting earlier then origin might have nothing to do with origin. Steam might have set itself a higher priority.

[Ravenholme]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

Hmmm, I have them both set to start on my system booting up and Steam consistently beats Origin to starting up. That, and I can't find the option to tell Origin NOT to load on system start up, which is bloody infuriating.

Msconfig? I thought I found the option rather quickly in Origin itself, but if all else fails, just type 'msconfig' into your start menu.

Steam booting earlier then origin might have nothing to do with origin. Steam might have set itself a higher priority.

Well, assuming that it came out in one of the updates that I haven't bothered to install, it's lack at any point in Origin's existence was a shocking oversight.

[FoeHammer]

I, for one, am still super excited about this, though as a PC gamer, I'm kinda bummed that they're delaying the release of the beta on PC for Sony to approve the PS3 beta.  No more than a week away I hope

[Achillion]

So how much are you all turned off by the whole Origin thing?

It's fine.
It's EULA is no scarier than valve's
It's client is marginally smoother than steam, too, boots quicker, easier.
Origin is fine.

and the battlelog site as the server browser actually works great, no splash screens, no waits, just alt_tab and you're in.

Hmmm, I have them both set to start on my system booting up and Steam consistently beats Origin to starting up. That, and I can't find the option to tell Origin NOT to load on system start up, which is bloody infuriating.

Msconfig? I thought I found the option rather quickly in Origin itself, but if all else fails, just type 'msconfig' into your start menu.

Steam booting earlier then origin might have nothing to do with origin. Steam might have set itself a higher priority.

Well, assuming that it came out in one of the updates that I haven't bothered to install, it's lack at any point in Origin's existence was a shocking oversight.

I can't find the option either, though I noticed it being ticked when I was installing Origin, so I disabled it on installation.
You know, it could just be in the "Start Up" folder of the Start Menu. Have you checked there?

[Al-Rik]

Battlefield 3 is sounding like one heck of a game, maybe it will surpass Crysis 2; in graphics and physics.

Sorry, but the Battlefield series were never about graphics.

Battlefield 1942 was about big battles on large maps with tanks and planes.
The big maps gave you a lot of opportunities to attack. You didn't have to use always the same way to attack.

Battlefield 2 was also about big battles, but with an big improvement in coordination between the players.
DICE created a lot of useful tools to promote Teamwork, even between players who can't communicate because of different languages.

The biggest improvement was the Squad & the comroses.
Players were able to create small groups, and the leader of the Squad was able to set Orders like Attack / Defend / Destroy.


If you want to tell your Teammates to set up a defence at a specific point you only have to press Q, select the order an confirm.
Everyone in your Squads get's the Order as voice over in his native language and as icon in the HUD.

One player was also able to act as commander, giving orders to squadleaders:


Coordination of players was the big thing in Battlefield 2, and it worked.
In most other shooters there is no coordination, every player does his one thing.

And what did DICE with this unique thing in Battlefield 3 ?
They throw it out and made a Call of Duty Clone with better graphics, physics and destroyable cover.
 
At the moment there is almost no coordination possible in the Beta Version of Battlefield 3.
Were are no Comroses to ask your Squadmates for a Medpack or Ammonition.
You can't tell them "Let's go" or "Need Support !" or even "Thanks" after they revived you.

You can't check the tactical situation ( where is the enemy ? where are holes in our defence ) becaus the game doesn't have a map - only a small minimap in the HUD. 

You can give attack and defend orders als Squadleader - but the game doesn't play any orders to your squadmates, and the game doesn't inform you that you are the squadleader.

Also the matchmaking is horrible
If your have a lot of friends in your buddy list and can use a teamspeak and are lucky to bee on the same side in the same Squad than you can rock this game.
If you are alone, without buddies, without teamspeak you are lost. Without Teamspeak there is no coordination. Your Squadmates run in different directions instead of stick together so in most cases you don't have anyone to cover your back.

[Achillion]

So, the squad orders from Bad Company 2 didn't make it? They weren't as detailed as the ones in BF2, but they were contextual and they worked:
- Q while targeting medic and you tell him you need health
- Q on an objective and it becomes the squad objective giving more points if captured/destroyed/defended accordingly
- Q on an enemy and he's marked on the HUD and map (minimap and full map)
- Q on a friendly vehicle and you ask for a ride
- Q on a soldier and you ask for ammo

Sure, there's no "Thanks", "Go" or "Follow me", but it's a lot more than nothing.

So none of that made it through?

[Al-Rik]

So, the squad orders from Bad Company 2 didn't make it? They weren't as detailed as the ones in BF2, but they were contextual and they worked:
- Q while targeting medic and you tell him you need health
- Q on an objective and it becomes the squad objective giving more points if captured/destroyed/defended accordingly
- Q on an enemy and he's marked on the HUD and map (minimap and full map)
- Q on a friendly vehicle and you ask for a ride
- Q on a soldier and you ask for ammo

Sure, there's no "Thanks", "Go" or "Follow me", but it's a lot more than nothing.

So none of that made it through?

Difficult to say.
You can spot with Q, and as a Squadleader you can give an Order.
but at the moment no one seems to use it besides to Spot.

Maybe it's broken in the beta and no sounds are played, because I never heard any request or order (even then I set as squadleader an order !).
Full map isn't in the beta and I didn't see any option for it in the key bindings, so you have only the minimap to check the situation (no, you can't zoom the map level).

While the context sensitive elements of Bad Company are better than nothing, they have the problem that they are context sensitve.
You can only cry out for a medic or ammunition if a medic or assault is in your line of sight.
And if more than one player is under the crosshair, the system doesn't work because it doesn't know which one is affected.