[Kolgena]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but that really did read like Apple paid you to post that. I totally see your point of how heavy restrictions allows a more convenient end-user experience, but that was almost lost over the "Apple doesn't sell electronics. They sell an experience."

[Dark Hunter]

I will not deny that Apple's products are pretty user-friendly, and I can see the appeal this holds for many people.

However, I do think that they are overly restrictive in far too many things, which is why I personally dislike them and avoid their products whenever possible.

[Hades]

Apples products are generally pretty expensive too, especially their computer line (which is just overpriced, even Alienware is less overpriced).

[StarSlayer]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but that really did read like Apple paid you to post that. I totally see your point of how heavy restrictions allows a more convenient end-user experience, but that was almost lost over the "Apple doesn't sell electronics. They sell an experience."

I don't think E meant that necessarily as a promotion but a marketing fact.  Apple has built itself as an experience/culture, all their advertisements are meant to portray it as a young person's machine as opposed to the dowdy PC crowd.  Even at the point of sale they've got the Apple store with their geeky/hipster staff and their Apple white style motif.  All their hardware is meant to look cool, minimalist and hip.  Its a culture item to have an iPlank or whatever the hell else they are selling at the moment.  Even from a user interface point as has been pointed out you've sacrificed some freedom for ease of use.

As for the console issue, if you seriously derive some sense of smug superiority over your preferred platform then you really need some time spent in introspection on what is important in life.  Because obviously you don't grasp that it is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

[General Battuta]

The amount of ignorance for what Apple does is really astonishing. Apple does not sell PCs, or mp3 players or Laptops or phones. Apple sells an experience. Apple sells you the certainty that it will just work, right out of the box. They sell you Computers that do not require the kind of in-depth maintenance Windows PCs need from time to time. They give developers clear guidelines for how their applications should behave so that that experience is maintained, and the user kept happy. It's a tradeoff. For a bit of freedom you lose, you get a whole ****ton of convenience.

.....

WHAT? 

He's completely correct. I occasionally flip out at their pricing and then people near me point out it's generally worth it for them. Apple is so wildly successful because it's very good at selling what it does.

They're basically fascists about their guidelines and stuff, but that comes with certain advantages. (Wish they'd stick closer to their old human interface guidelines, though...)

[Pred the Penguin]

Convenience is the biggest seller. It's why we're still buying stuff off the internet instead of just downloading for free.

[Nuke]

i cant really find any reason to hate macs or apple products in general. i mean the two main things i dont like is the closed architecture(not so much these days), and cost. but its really not enough to seriously make me hate apple.

as for open source consoles they will always be in a league of their own. i dont think their nature will really turn them into a major competitor, since, being open source in terms of both hardware and software, will loose all the brownie points for convenience. people dont use linux for convenience. you'd be limited by whatever games users created or ported over from other architectures. open source consoles, like linux, will be something you use when you want full control over your experience.

[jr2]

The Chrome OS is going to run on Linux.  Thoughts?

[Nuke]

as far as open oses im really looking forward to the reactos beta. of course this thread really isnt about operating systems.

[newman]

Man I love it when some kid in love with his own voice and zero life experience does an ego trip on youtube, almost like he's got his own tv show, then gets worked up over the silliest things. If I could be bothered I'd give him an assignment to assemble the following words in a sentence: f**k, up, grow, the.
Seriously, someone plays on consoles, others on PCs, some on both. I no more care or get worked up about that than I get worked up about what brand of soap do other people use (I do prefer they use some brand tho)
I bet he watched that video a million times thinking he sounds so cool in it

[S-99]

The amount of ignorance for what Apple does is really astonishing. Apple does not sell PCs, or mp3 players or Laptops or phones. Apple sells an experience. Apple sells you the certainty that it will just work, right out of the box. They sell you Computers that do not require the kind of in-depth maintenance Windows PCs need from time to time. They give developers clear guidelines for how their applications should behave so that that experience is maintained, and the user kept happy. It's a tradeoff. For a bit of freedom you lose, you get a whole ****ton of convenience.

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WHAT? 

He's saying a lot of people like riding the apple roller coaster.

[Pred the Penguin]

I just remembered I have a friend who doesn't like Apple products because he doesn't like the 'imperfect' apple.
That was random I know... I maybe be a little drunk.

[NGTM-1R]

He's saying a lot of people like riding the apple roller coaster.

I suggest remedial reading comprehension classes.

[S-99]

The E was amazed at everyones ignorance concerning apple. His point was that apple was more about selling an experience than a product. A great part of this experience being convenience and certainty. Apple likes to maintain these aspects of the experience for example by having laid out guidelines for developers who make applications for the macintosh platform. These developer guidelines dictate how that application will behave which is a big push by apple to maintain the user experience. The apple user loves this experience. Apple maintaining the user experience keeps apple users as apple users, and attracts new apple users. Apple keeps the users happy in a trade off of freedom for a lot of convenience.

People in this thread were puzzled by what he meant or claimed that he wrote up a promotion for apple because of the whole "apple doesn't sell electronics, they sell an experience" which does sound like a slogan, but was actually presented by The E as a marketing fact. The E was not hard to understand. Figured i'd simplify with a metaphor for everyone. That being "A lot of people do like riding the apple roller coaster".

What i wrote was a gross metaphorical simplification. Do you like my post report?

[NGTM-1R]

What you wrote was insulting to apple users and you're either backtracking to cover yourself now or you compressed it so incompetently as to eliminate all meanings you claimed it contained.

But yes, this is better.

[Pred the Penguin]

The E was amazed at everyones ignorance concerning apple. His point was that apple was more about selling an experience than a product. A great part of this experience being convenience and certainty. Apple likes to maintain these aspects of the experience for example by having laid out guidelines for developers who make applications for the macintosh platform. These developer guidelines dictate how that application will behave which is a big push by apple to maintain the user experience. The apple user loves this experience. Apple maintaining the user experience keeps apple users as apple users, and attracts new apple users. Apple keeps the users happy in a trade off of freedom for a lot of convenience.

Considering that most people that use computers don't have an interest in tweaking everything for themselves, that's not a bad thing.

[Nuke]

i definitely liked some of the older early-mid 90s macs. they really showed what a very minimalist os could do with a very limited set of resources. only real reason i dont partake in the epic wave of apple fanboism, is mainly because im set in my pc usin ways.

[S-99]

It's not a bad thing at all definitely. There's a big market for this. Consoles definitely reflect convenience compared to computer gaming. The one thing i find interesting with todays consoles is the increased life span they've had. A console can go on for about 5 or 6 years before a new console generation emerges. Instead today, we have consoles that have had extended life spans because current consoles are designed to support superior peripherals better than past consoles. Superior peripherals like the kinect for 360,  the ps3 motion controller, and the wii motion plus. This compared to older peripherals which didn't really get any better than wireless controller with wireless controller adapter for gamecube and ps2, guitar hero peripherals for ps2, and the sony eye toy webcam for ps2.

Superior peripherals for consoles today means that another console generation coming along has been averted for a good long while. Superior peripherals means a lot of different types of games to take advantage of these peripherals and definite different game play. This financially speaking is great for console gamers compared to their computer gaming equivalents. Keep upgrading your pc/buy a new pc every few years, or purchase a console and after 5 years buy the upgrade for that console and not need to buy a new generation console. Not only cheaper, but like consoles, easier to integrate compared to computer peripherals and add-in cards for computer.

My back track was written just for ngtm-1r so he would know what i was all on about the whole roller coaster ride thing. The intent was not for insult of apple users (that of which can easily be construed as insulting based on me being short because i didn't want a wall of text). The intent was a response just for ngtm-1r.

[S-99]

Good read concerning the graphics capabilities of consoles versus computers. Consoles do have a specific edge where as computer gaming should be much faster than it actually is considering the hardware in computers has been way faster for several years now.

[Nuke]

some good points there. sometimes its easier to just talk to the registers instead of having a middleware api do it for you. on a console that works, but on a pc, it doesn't because your hardware wont be consistent. different instruction set extensions in your cpu and different gpu architectures pretty much make it very difficult to code direct to hardware. that is unless gpu manufacturers could all agree on a standard instruction set in their gpus. then theres the issue with future proofing. its not very often a pc game will run on a pc built several years after the game came out, even with an api (unless its opengl ). but if a standard instruction set was used on all gpus (possibly with manufacturer specific instruction extensions to cover proprietary features), then it would greately reduce the differences between nvidia, ati/amd, intel, etc, gpus, and greately reduce the dependency on an api and would allow direct to assembly code for gpu functions, which would be very fast. of course thats not likely to happen, gpu manufacturers just have to meet compatibility with specific apis, and so long as that is met they can design their chip however they want.