[Fineus]

Sadly true, but be that as it may - They could've done some good scenes with him. It's perfectly possible to insert adult humor into a charachter made for children. Hell even the kids cartoon "Count Duckula" manages it (I'm 17 and I'm getting the adult jokes now, it's a great program). Anyways - Ja Ja was more or less relient on being clumsy. Thats not humor - that's old, little children might laugh but they could've done one better and had him say some genuinely funny lines that the older audience would've enjoyed.

[Dark_4ce]

It is true that Jar Jar could have been better in TPM, but I can't help but just get a bit angry at this whole "anti-Jar Jar" thing. I sometimes get the feeling that people just say Jar Jar sucks, cause its the "cool" thing to do, instead of actually supporting why they hate him so much. Like this Jar Jar hate pages... What do they really accomplish? They only manage to spread the word that something that is a TRUE part of Star Wars stinks, and everyone should hate it,cause if they don't, they don't have a life.  I'm not saying EVERYONE hates Jar Jar cause its the "cool" thing to do, but I think that it could be a substantial part in the lower appreciation of TPM. Yes, he was a severly underdeveloped character, who's sole purpose seemed to be the comic relief for the entire movie. But this is no reason to actually HATE him. Its a character. You can't hate something that isn't real. And I really think, if some of those hate pages hadn't gone up, there'd be less people actually hating him and the TPM in general. I'm just mainly talking about the people who never give an actual reason for hating him, and those who think its cool to make hate pages and digitally alter war execution pictures in order to show it... Not to mention the "Phantom Edit" Come on man... Thats just lame I could just as well do my own edits on the older trilogy and cut out all the scenes with the ewoks! Make it look as so that the first time you actually see them, is when they attack, making them look like just a bunch of suicidal killer teddy bears. Or maybe just cut everything that happened on endor out, and make it look like the insertion team succeeded without a hitch.

I dunno... I guess I'm still grumpy at the critics and some of my friends who first went to see it, said it was cool, but then after reading the critics, chaged their mind and said it sucked, in fear probably that if they said they liked it, they maybe considered as geeks or something.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I dunno... I guess I'm still grumpy at the critics and some of my friends who first went to see it, said it was cool, but then after reading the critics, chaged their mind and said it sucked, in fear probably that if they said they liked it, they maybe considered as geeks or something.

Heh, the peeps I hang out with are the critical, self-opinion obsessed people so they all just believe what they do

But, I have seen this anti-JarJar stupidity everywhere... It really annoys me. I even watched the TPM a few days ago again just to see if what the idiots keep saying (TPM sucks, Jarjar sucks etc.) was true.... I thought TPM was quite nice... (Duel of the Fates by John Williams is awesome)

[beatspete]

See it, if just for Natalie Portman

First time ive used that smilie, quite fitting too.

On the whole a good film.  Not the best film, i prefer something a bit more mentally chalenging, but still great entertainment, and thats what star wars was always about.  For all you anit Jar-Jar fans out there, he isnt in it much so dont worry.  The whole star wars world seems to make a lot more sense now.  You begin to see what turns Anakin to the dark side, he's quite rebelious for a jedi, and also where things like the empire emerge from.  The clone army appears to be the storm troopers of the later films, its gonna be intresting to see how they switch 'teams'.  
Special effects were nice, i didnt actaully realise Yoda was computer animated, but then again i wasnt really looking.
I did however notice it jumped about a lot, and that was somewhat anoying.


Overall:
Worth seeing, entertaining.

pete


mmmmm.... Portman

[TurboNed]

Originally posted by beatspete
The clone army appears to be the storm troopers of the later films, its gonna be intresting to see how they switch 'teams'.  

Uhhh, spoilers here.  Highlight to read.

Uhhhh, they don't switch teams.  The teams kinda switch around them.  You do realize that "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine" will later be knows as "Emperor Palpatine" and the Republic will later change its name to the Galactic Empire.  Didn't you notice the cute little logo on Obi-Wan's ship?  It's the symbol of the Galactic Empire that we all know and love...the transition is already happening.  The troopers won't switch teams, it's just that in a few years people will realize that the government has become immensely corrupt and a time for change has come.  Hence, the Rebellion.

  --TurboNed

[Ulala]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
It is true that Jar Jar could have been better in TPM, but I can't help but just get a bit angry at this whole "anti-Jar Jar" thing. I sometimes get the feeling that people just say Jar Jar sucks, cause its the "cool" thing to do, instead of actually supporting why they hate him so much.

I hate him so much.... lol, its not the cool thing to do around here. In fact, most of my friends (who aren't real avid fans) liked him *shudder*. Lucas pulled such a publicity stunt with him... I felt so betrayed, but I guess Lucas likes to make mucho dinero off of action figures and younger audiances as much as the next guy. Jar Jar is basically comic relief for the kids and the not so avid fans. Hes also Banthafodder to the avid fans who think his head should be blasted off...
I'm sorry, but trip and fall down funny just... isnt very funny. Its especially not funny in a Star Wars film.

[Stryke 9]

Mmm... You know, you go watch the old movies again... kinda puts Jar Jar in perspective. Whatsisname... actor playing Luke Skywalker... WHAT a NEBBISH! Eeugh... the movies would be great if he wasn't WHINING all the time... forget irritating minor characters, if the lead role makes you want to throw someting at the TV...

[WMCoolmon]

Hey, that's a classic line!

But I wanted to go to Toschi Station to pick up some power converterrrrrs!

My opinion? Yoda just became the coolest character in Star Wars ever
Spoiler-type thingy:
BTW, did anyone notice a similarity between one of the monsters in the execution and the Lurker from Starcraft?

[Liberator]

think back on all the heroes and heroic acts in all 5 movies.  Which character comes out as the greatest of them all?  

Hint: none of the Skywalker clan, not the beauty with the bounty on her, um, head,  not Obi-Wan.  Definately not Goldenrod.  Nope, the greatest hero of all the Star Wars movies is...

R2-D2

(Highlight to see who)

[Fineus]

And the greatest villian? The one without whom none of it would've happened...

Ja Ja Binks!

[beatspete]

As for what Turboned said (i wont repeat it here its a bit of a spoiler...)
The ships at the end the clones get onto do look amazingly like the star destroyers of the later films, so i suppose u must be right.
And you can tell the guy who got ellected chancelor in Ep. 1 was a bit evil, confirmed in episode 2.

pete

[Dark_4ce]

Do you think that in Episode III, we'll see the clone troopers become the storm troopers? I mean, as in changing their armor to the one we all know and love! Though I do have to say that the armor they have in EpII is really sweet and more scarier and efficient looking than the Stormtroopers.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Mmm... You know, you go watch the old movies again... kinda puts Jar Jar in perspective. Whatsisname... actor playing Luke Skywalker... WHAT a NEBBISH! Eeugh... the movies would be great if he wasn't WHINING all the time... forget irritating minor characters, if the lead role makes you want to throw someting at the TV...

Ever hear of a thing called "character development"? You know, where they display the "whimpiness" of the soon-to-be hero of a movie/book, so as to emphasize the change in him/her?

Whiny Luke -> Jedi wise beyond his years
Tough "I don't care about nobody" Han -> Couldn't leave the Rebels to fight alone Han
Arch-villian Vader -> Overthrow (pun intended) the Emperor Anakin

See the point here? And with Eps. I & II, you could list:

Annoyingly sweet/cute Anakin -> rebellious "My way" Anakin
Diplomatic huff-huff Amidala -> Lover of a rebellious Jedi Padme
And best of all:

Old crippled Yoda -> uhm.... I won't spoil it for those who still haven't seen it...

[Stunaep]

just saw the movie, and boy, have I got a lot to say!!! The movie was GREEATT!!! Beats ROTJ in my opinion, not to mention TPM. The following is in black text.

Pros, IMHO:
It had a story. I mean a REAL story. Not the ROTJ/TPM like story, but a real story that made you think.

Yoda. Nuff said

Master Windu. He was cool

Master Kenobi. He was cool

Anakin. He was just the way he had to be.

Amidala.

They played the Imperial March three times. THREE TIMES!!!

no more silly puns.

And some people here have suggested, that C-3PO was too silly. I think he wasn't any sillier, than in ESB, for example. Palpatine was good as always, I just love Ian McDarmid, he can really play into the role, and the actionscenes were A1-SUPAR

Cons:

One think Lucas still hasn't recreated is a cool villain. Darth Maul could have been one, but he had too little screen time and text. plus they killed him off at the end. Palplatine has always been close, but not there, and Count Dooku was just another bald man who had a lightsaber and cool force powers.

John Williams was lazy this time. only 1 new theme, puh-leaase, he can do better than that.

the aliens who cloned the clone army. They just looked wrong.

I could go on and on about the movie.... man I liked it.

[Corsair]

@Thunder!

And Liberator is right....R2D2 is the best hero in all the movies! And sandwich hit it right on the nose. Character development, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!!! I mean, the movie wouldn't be the same without it.

[Redfang]

Saw it today. It was good. That's too bad, though, that I haven't seen EP4, 5 and 6 for a while. I guess I should watch them again.

[Fineus]

Originally posted by Corsair
@Thunder!

I was being serious! Let me put it this way:

In Episode 1: If he'd not told Qui Gon about the city it might all have been different. If he'd not been so clumsy/lucky in the battle later on it might all have been different.

In Episode 2: Spoiler - Highlight to read: He gives Palpatine power to enforce the drioid army. These emergency powers will no doubt be used for evil later on, it also makes him virtually un-touchable since he's got the emergency powers. Nobody can question his authority now and it makes it all the more east to hide what's going on.

So it's all Ja Jas fault!

[Stunaep]

Yes, but had not the Emperor gotten the emergency power, the jedi would have been wiped out on Geonosis, which in turn would have made someone else in the senate give Palpatine emergency power, which would have made no difference, other than Anakin, and Obi-Wan and Yoda being killed. And thats something.

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by sandwich


Ever hear of a thing called "character development"? You know, where they display the "whimpiness" of the soon-to-be hero of a movie/book, so as to emphasize the change in him/her?

Whiny Luke -> Jedi wise beyond his years
Tough "I don't care about nobody" Han -> Couldn't leave the Rebels to fight alone Han
Arch-villian Vader -> Overthrow (pun intended) the Emperor Anakin

See the point here? And with Eps. I & II, you could list:

Annoyingly sweet/cute Anakin -> rebellious "My way" Anakin
Diplomatic huff-huff Amidala -> Lover of a rebellious Jedi Padme
And best of all:

Old crippled Yoda -> uhm.... I won't spoil it for those who still haven't seen it...

Imbecile Jar-Har -> Jar Jar as an aid in advancing the plot.

Can be argued for anything. Having a character that grated on the nerves woulda been fine, had there been any explanation or good reason for it. But listening to him act like a 12-year-old while chasing after evil white guys on flying explosive motorcycles with guns through a giant forest is a bit much. He doesn't really change, there's no reason for him to be a whiner, and it doesn't really flesh out his character- it gives him two dimensions, rather than one. He's still a flat character.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Thunder

I was being serious! Let me put it this way:

In Episode 1: If he'd not told Qui Gon about the city it might all have been different. If he'd not been so clumsy/lucky in the battle later on it might all have been different.

In Episode 2: Spoiler - Highlight to read: He gives Palpatine power to enforce the drioid army. These emergency powers will no doubt be used for evil later on, it also makes him virtually un-touchable since he's got the emergency powers. Nobody can question his authority now and it makes it all the more east to hide what's going on.

So it's all Ja Jas fault!

I knew you were being serious. It's still damn funny when you think about it though. I'm still laughing...:lol: