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Offline Kosh

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Extradition for copyright violation?
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"A 23-year-old British computer student faces possible extradition to the U.S. for linking to copyrighted content on his website. The student, Richard O'Dwyer, was accused of copyright infringement after setting up the website TV Shack, which had links to thousands of films and tv shows, but did not directly host them."


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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
So was he just link farming or streaming the content?

but one point did stand out either way

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The website was seized by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. O'Dywer was arrested on 23 May, taken to Wandsworth prison and then released on a £3,000 bail paid by his aunt.
Read more: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2079590/british-student-extradition-copyright-infringement#ixzz1PWEOlBKl
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Mr Cooper added: ‘The server was not based in the US. Mr O’Dwyer did not have copyrighted material on his website – he simply provided a link.’
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/866363-extradition-bid-over-film-row-student-is-madness-says-mum#ixzz1PWE1zdYr

Defiantly a grey area but if he was just link farming then no case to answer, If he was streaming it depends on what he was streaming, if it is all from free to view sources then slap on the wrist because he technically should have gained permission.  If the content required an account to view (free or paid) then he needs to answer to someone though as neither he or the server was not US based then the US has minimal jurisdiction as I believe it is down to the UK government to prosecute him ans the crime was committed within UK borders.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
It's just wrong, period, IMO. The punishment does not fit the crime, and the authority is not one that I feel has been given to the US government; definitely not by the people of England, probably not by most of the people of the USA.

 

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
I agree, this is pretty dumb.

 

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
money makes the rules.  How does the record industry still have money?
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
Copyright laws are getting pretty ugly right about now; I don't think the US media monoliths were ever comfortable with the internet being what it is today...
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
Not only US ones, I think.
TBH, the whole fuss about copyrighting things is getting ridiculus. I know that people don't like their work being stolen from them, but really, protecting the software with a system that causes it to crash? Or for example, requiring an active connection to even play a (SP) game? What if the server goes down? And of course, laws around it are getting just about as ridiculus as DRM systems themselves. I miss the days when the only form of DRM was to ask a question that required the manual to answer. Not only it wasn't too obstructive, but also encouraged people to read the manual, sometimes even adding to immersion (IIRC, in Police Quest, you would sometimes be asked a question about something related to police work and promptly get fired and redirected to academy if you answered wrong).

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
To a degree I do think the Internet has become a stupid place - most of the 'information wants to be free' movement is a giant circlejerk, built on a completely impractical notion of creativity and creators' rights. Cory Doctorow is a smug mother****er whose views are basically built on the privilege of his own success.

But copyright fascism is even more stupid.

 
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But copyright fascism is even more stupid.

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Enforcing copyrights on entertainment material serves no useful purpose, but government has to give lip service to it in order to maintain the perception of contract and patent protection and the rule of law.

  

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
I'm entitled to free stuff that isn't mine because I draw breath.  Its in the Constitution I think.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
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On a serious note, I'd be impressed in a bad way if the charges stuck. Especially when you can have services like Youtube that have copyrighted content DIRECTLY UPLOADED to them. Granted, I've heard whispers about some proposed legislation that would criminalize ...how did it go again? I think it would begin to impose penalties on internet entities that streamed copyrighted content 10 or more times, or something idiotic like that. Oh, and of course the definition of "copyrighted content" could be fiddled with on the fly on a case-per-case basis. One of my email accounts wound up on a "free internet" mailing list (or something along those lines), and they've been sending updates pleading for action.

I dunno- I want to believe that most of the rational, internet-addicted US populace would cry "bloody ****ing murder" if a law like that were passed, but at the moment, most news outlets seem too busy making dick jokes in regards to a certain representative to actually report meaningful news.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
There is no tertium datur. If you are willing to say that copyright violation is something worthy of being "punished" by, then you should expect a huge "war" on "cybercrime", including arresting young people for sharing links.

It's absolutely wrong. Just like the war on drugs. Yeah, drugs ain't very good, but the "war" on drugs have created monsters of giganormous proportions (the cartels), huge waves of crimes and murders, weapons, etc.,etc., it's just a nightmare. And we are starting this **** all over again with copyright, by marginalizing a whole new generation of people who really think they shouldn't have to pay for what's so easy to share.

And while I get it that authors seem to be mildly ****ed up by that, the notion that people should be arrested for sharing knowledge and culture is abhorrent to the nth degree. It's like the Anti-Enlightenment. It's as if somehow we are willing to dumb the **** all down just to ensure distributors aren't "obsoleted".

Like they should have been for ten years now.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
what authors

 

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
Authors of creative works, books, movies, games, stuff.

I agree with Cory here, and I know you don't but that antagonism doesn't surprise me anymore :lol: .

Point is, it's utterly a waste of time and resources to try to "pin down" piracy, it's also a big ****ing pain in the ass for the people who are just trying to get on with their lifes or do creative works, but are somehow obliged to know the exact path they must cross in a minefield of "rights" every****ingwhere.

It's just utterly stupid and a drain in the economy. I *am* an author of creative stuff, and I can tell you that this copyright shenanigan would be just idiotic in my field, if we practiced it like the music industry or the movies, etc. Architects are always "copying" their fellow colleagues every single second of their work and no one gives a damn about it. In fact, it's a compliment to one's work, not a "transgression".

So my point isn't that copyright is completely evil and should be outright eliminated. No. It's a fine idea with terrible practical consequences. Internet Service Providers are already under pressure to identify any consumer that is transferring files p2p, governments are meeting to surpress basic freedoms so that the copyright ideal isn't shattered by the internet.

And that's when you see that this is completely unnatural. Just as communism of produced goods is "anti-natural", in the sense that the natural tendency for any given economy of limited goods is a creation of a free market where these things are not centrally planned, so all the DRMs and technical / legal limitations are "anti-natural" to the information fluidity of the internet. They have a huge bag of water filled with holes and they are trying to close the holes by oppressing our freedoms, rather than getting a bucket, place it underneath and gather all the water you can.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
I don't think you have any idea what I disagree with Cory Doctorow about, but you can feel free to make up some reasons and then argue with them (I can write you a chatbot to help if you like, we can even pretend I support DRM and am really stressed out about piracy)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2011, 06:17:47 pm by General Battuta »

 

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
Maybe you should tell us what you disagree with him about instead. It's just as much work and would be far more interesting than watching Luis fail to back up his arguments yet again.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?

And besides Battuta, those who have the wealth of wisdom, do they not benefit the most by disseminating it to any and all who would hear? Your statement seems rather vacuous and vague, I'm not sure much can be gained from it.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
Maybe you should tell us what you disagree with him about instead. It's just as much work and would be far more interesting than watching Luis fail to back up his arguments yet again.

I am sorely tempted but I am pretty uncertain the debate will go anywhere sane. Not just because of our man Luis Dias, but because it's a very charged topic on the internet right now. Even on normally decent sites like RockPaperShotgun, you get people claiming that creators (game developers, authors, whatever) lose any right to be compensated for their products the moment they release them, which is just

In addition to being a mediocre writer and a bad blogger, Doctorow's position about distributing work for free is constructed from the vantage point of someone who's already become rich and successful - he advocates giving stuff away for free because he can afford it. That's most of what I take issue with. He doesn't have uniformly bad ideas, but like many zealots (Kurzweil, for instance) he evangelizes them without moderation, practicality, or restraint.

I guarantee you that someone in this thread is going to take this as an argument in favor of DRM, stringent copyright, whatever the **** - people with a low tolerance for ambiguity are the bane of debates like this. I'm not saying there's no merit to the 'open information' movement, and I certainly support the open web, but some of the far-open positions are as ridiculous as the far-closed positions. There clearly needs to be a compromise that allows the market to incentivize creators to create. (If you want to take a crack at your own thinking on the topic - I was much too strongly in favor of the open movement for a long time - there are good books I've read recently, written by software pioneers, describing what's gone wrong with the whole ideology. I can try to hunt the titles down.)

As an example, the best writing on television in recent years has been enabled by closed, subscription-based distribution rather than the open, ad-supported network model. Similarly, there is no way to create value in a written work without some form of artificial scarcity (or a patronage model - I don't know myself if this is something that can work).

Information doesn't want to be free. Information doesn't want anything. Creators, on the other hand, need to get paid; otherwise they can't make a living and they have to work ****ty jobs instead of creating.

And besides Battuta, those who have the wealth of wisdom, do they not benefit the most by disseminating it to any and all who would hear? Your statement seems rather vacuous and vague, I'm not sure much can be gained from it.

I understand you don't spend much time in GenDisc so I can see why the context might be difficult to grasp, especially for someone who hasn't followed recent threads. But this isn't the Thunderdome; we only get in knife fights when it's fun. Please don't waste time trying to stir up ****, tia; the pros will handle it.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
I understand you don't spend much time in GenDisc so I can see why the context might be difficult to grasp, especially for someone who hasn't followed recent threads. But this isn't the Thunderdome; we only get in knife fights when it's fun. Please don't waste time trying to stir up ****, tia; the pros will handle it.

I do believe you missed the point.
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Re: Extradition for copyright violation?
I understand you don't spend much time in GenDisc so I can see why the context might be difficult to grasp, especially for someone who hasn't followed recent threads. But this isn't the Thunderdome; we only get in knife fights when it's fun. Please don't waste time trying to stir up ****, tia; the pros will handle it.

I do believe you missed the point.

Haha no I really didn't. People have no obligation to play Sisyphus; while Luis Dias threads are a perpetual source of fun I only play them when I'm getting paid. And as I explained above, this debate is one that rarely goes good places.