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That's the point. I said offer. Nothing would put those guys more at shame then the EU considering them equal to countries like Greece and Portugal.

 

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So I'm actually starting to feel a bit of fear about this. I hope it is totally unfounded.
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Hmm, maybe China will annex us.  :rolleyes:

 

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This is going to make my job incredibly ****ing hard.
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I'm just kind of laughing at it at this point.  It's so pathetic, what else can you do?

  

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I'm just kind of laughing at it at this point.  It's so pathetic, what else can you do?
Vote out every last incumbent come next election to show our disgust. Probably would backfire on us though and we would end up with an even larger crop of morons.
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Is it revolution time yet?
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I've been getting work calls routed to my home number half the day from people who are flipping out over not getting their paychecks.
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I'm just kind of laughing at it at this point.  It's so pathetic, what else can you do?
Vote out every last incumbent come next election to show our disgust. Probably would backfire on us though and we would end up with an even larger crop of morons.
Well let's hope we don't get fooled again

 
I'm just kind of laughing at it at this point.  It's so pathetic, what else can you do?
Vote out every last incumbent come next election to show our disgust. Probably would backfire on us though and we would end up with an even larger crop of morons.
Well let's hope we don't get fooled again
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Yeah, uh, this is being driven by the new crop of crazies the GOP brought in during 2010, combined with the non-crazies' fear of losing a Primary challenge if they don't appear to be just as conservative as the average lunatic Tea Partier. So voting out all the incumbents in favor of new guys? Probably not the best idea.

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I blame both of them. All of them! Acting like stubborn children, can't even dream of giving an inch to those bastards in the other party. No no, that would be weakness. God forbid they act like responsible adults and reach some kind of compromise for the good of the nation.

I can only presume you haven't been paying attention. The Reid bill gave the GOP literally everything they asked for, except it also stipulated we wouldn't have to deal with this bull**** again next year. The GOP rejected it. The fundamental problem is that the Tea Party is completely, utterly unwilling to compromise, and the rest of the GOP lives in fear of the Tea Party.
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I can only presume you haven't been paying attention. The Reid bill gave the GOP literally everything they asked for, except it also stipulated we wouldn't have to deal with this bull**** again next year. The GOP rejected it.

Yep. This is one of those times when it's amazing just how horrible the Democrats' PR strategies are.

Another day or two of this ****, and it's time for Obama to stop talking to the Republicans and order the Treasury to mint that trillion-dollar coin. Put Boehner's face on it for good measure.
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From the looks of things, there will definitely be an eleventh-hour compromise. Both sides have some plans drawn up, but because they still have time, nobody wants to pass any one of them because none of the plans have everything either side wants.

Honestly speaking, I will be genuinely surprised if the US Government fails to meet the deadline and defaults, because if they do, I think a new government is needed.
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Rather than getting angry, worried, etc, over this, I think that people should instead be happy about it. I see this as an opportunity. It's not about right or left, Republicans vs Democrats. To let either side get away with simply blaming it on the other would be folly and only allow this hypocrisy to continue.

This is a prime time to begin mounting an effective campaign based on compromise, transparency, accountability, honesty, etc. The public is now, more than ever before, receptive to the idea of breaking away from the two party system that has held us captive for so long.

I see this as a good thing for those who want real change. If handled properly, this could be the beginning of the end for our current government (Democrats and Republicans), and the start of something new. I hope that new thing will be something better; something sane, that makes sense, that isn't vying for control over so much. It's the turn of the world. Let's make something good come of this. :) Because deal or no deal; the debt is still there. The credit downgrade is still likely. These people are fighting over pennies when there are dollars at stake.

Whether or not they reach a compromise isn't really relevant; I think this situation shows that the government is effectively broken. The people that have been entrusted with the care of it have failed - what happens when there is a real calamity? Something even worse than this? Do you think they will make better decisions then? Do you think they'll be reasonable then?
I think it's time the people took the care of the government and placed it where it always belonged; on themselves. Not on people who's only real talent is manipulating numbers.

What do you folks think?
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I think you're a fool.

It is about right and left. It's about who actually gives a **** and who doesn't; who cares about the common man and who doesn't; who gives a **** if the economy tanks and the country defaults and who doesn't.

It's about the governmental system being deliberately compromised by a bunch of people who know that their only hope of creating their dream government is to pull a NDSAP and cause the existing one to fall so they can assume power. It's about who will be reactionary enough to get votes when the situation goes to ****.

I never thought I'd see you backing that play.
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Offline Unknown Target

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What play? That continuing to side with "Democrats" or "Republicans" is foolish? Because that's really all I'm saying.

 

Offline mxlm

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It's odd that in what is, in essence, a hostage situation, you're reluctant to assign culpability to the hostage takers.

Hey, here's all that needs to happen for everything to be fine: the GOP needs to not kill the hostage. That's it, problem solved.
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I blame both parties.

 
What play? That continuing to side with "Democrats" or "Republicans" is foolish? Because that's really all I'm saying.

What I see as foolish is recognizing (correctly) that both of our parties are flawed, but refusing to recognize that one party is much, much, more deeply flawed than the other. It's a highly unfortunate tendency that I see in a lot of Americans.